To: Cheeky Kid who wrote (173141 ) 8/16/2009 10:00:35 PM From: E. Charters Respond to of 312462 You can no more reason with the DFO than you can a water buffalo with a bumble bee up its ass. They have admirable patience however. Their patience runs out about when your money does. Then they move on to the next hopeful, stand on their property and make notes on their clip board. Other than shaking their head, sighing and saying, "I am afraid not", they don't seem to do much else. There are no scientists in the DFO. They have no rules or policy. Their only outlook seems to be. "Not here. Not now. Not ever. No way." Their standard answer to all proposals is, "After a thorough review of your plan, we have rejected the proposed approach as unworkable and environmentally harmful." When asked for justification or reason, they state ... nothing. After a 9 month scientific study you undertake to reply to their questions, they reply with a new group of questions, which are about the same as the last group, and to which there are no answers. In order to study your proposal they assign to a filing cabinet in an office and don't take it out until the next meeting. Any person caught reading the proposal or asking questions is demoted or moved to another government department. There are no scientific studies, guidelines or formula with which to evaluate the impacts on natural habitats of species, flora or fauna on file with the DFO, except the odd study carried out or commissioned by the government in other jurisdictions. (i.e. offshore marine or fluvial bed disturbances, sedimentation, heavy metal levels, fish mortality in other areas etc.) There is no known way of measuring the effect of these studies by extrapolating to your environmental area. They will cite these unprovably related studies in disapproving of your project without justifying the relation. No amount of contrary work that disproves their conclusions will be accepted. EC<:-}