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To: JohnM who wrote (118588)8/18/2009 10:30:28 AM
From: epicure  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 541952
 
So basically they are using guns because of "democracy". They could move somewhere that isn't democratic- maybe that would make more sense?



To: JohnM who wrote (118588)8/18/2009 10:30:42 AM
From: JohnM  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 541952
 
FYI. Anthony Weiner, a NY Dem member of the House, puts the number at 100. Clearly these are fuzzy numbers. But . . . .
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Sixty House Progressives: We'll Kill Any Health Care Bill Unless It Has A Public Option
By Brian Beutler - August 18, 2009, 8:59AM

Sixty House Democrats have warned the Obama administration--in no uncertain terms--that they'll vote against a health care bill unless it contains a public option.

In a letter sent yesterday to Health and Human Service Secretary Kathleen Sebelius, the co-chairs of the Congressional Progressive Caucus write, "We stand in strong opposition to your statement that the public option is "not the essential element" of comprehensive reform."

We have attached, for your review, a letter from 60 Members of Congress who are firm in their position that any legislation that moves forward through both chambers, and into a final proposal for the President's signature, MUST contain a public option.

The letter comes in response to recent statements by members of the administration, which calls into question their commitment to the public option.

You can read yesterday's letter here. The 60 signatories are the 57 who signed this, separate letter, plus three more. Back in July, progressives warned House leaders that a number of concessions to Blue Dog Democrats would have to be reversed if the final legislation was to stand a chance on the House floor. Those differences were quickly papered over, but they were also much smaller differences. Now, they're letting it be known that they will oppose any legislation--the House bill or the conference report--will die if it doesn't contain a public option.

Your move, Senate.

tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com



To: JohnM who wrote (118588)8/18/2009 3:25:59 PM
From: cnyndwllr  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 541952
 
"We will forcefully resist people imposing their will on us through the strength of the majority with a vote."

That's the distinction between democracy and freedom.

And yes, the South will rise again. Ed