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To: Nolan Toone who wrote (5216)	10/29/1997 6:42:00 PM
From: uu	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 64865

Nolan: > There are many more out there that do that better but > when it comes to debugging multi-treaded multi-system software > for HUGE software projects I think you will have a hard time beating > them. I agree with you. However I was talking only about Java Development tools. I was a UNIX developer for a little over 4 years prior to 87-88 and therefore I think because of having not done any real development work on UNIX for more than 10 years now, I was just thinking in terms of PC desktop and under Windows OS. I sincerely hope Java Workshop 3.0 (whenever it comes out) is better than 2.0. I really wanted to order Workshop 2.0 for my group but its lack of ease of use made us go with Symantec's Visual Cafe, and also Borland's JBuilder instead. But to be honest my first choice was J++ but because of it being Microsoft only Java (!) and lack of support of JDK 1.1 we ended up going with JBuilder (which incidetnly is a memory hog)! Anyway.... Regards, Addi Jamshidi

To: Nolan Toone who wrote (5216)	10/29/1997 6:51:00 PM
From: LKO	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 64865

> These friends use > the development environments from IBM, HP, Sun, SGI and M$ and > they say that Suns is the ONLY one they can fully count on to > be completly correct. ... > Now, I will have to admit that JavaWorkshop 1.0 was NOT very good. > JavaWorkshop 2.0 is OK at least it's not an embarassment and when > 3.0 comes out ... Watch out. > > Nolan Toone Addi specifically criticized Java Workshop 2.0 for lacking the "basics of being a real Java Development environment" and as a specific instance it does not have the "intelligence to figure out the dependencies" which he thinks is the "first thing a JDE must have". Now I am not sure exactly what all that means :-), but are you denying that is a valid criticism ? If you are implying that it might be in the next("3.0") release...then the criticism holds :-) I have also heard that Microsoft support for developers as one of their strengths and Sun needs to compete with them on all fronts including doing analysis of competetive products on the market. Sun can market its differentiators and strengths, but should pay attention to strengths of the competition too.