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To: Barnabus who wrote (9151)	10/29/1997 8:18:00 PM
From: yard_man	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 39621

Amen to that and: Psalm 15 1LORD, who may dwell in your sanctuary? Who may live on your holy hill? 2He whose walk is blameless and who does what is righteous, who speaks the truth from his heart 3and has no slander on his tongue, who does his neighbor no wrong and casts no slur on his fellowman, 4who despises a vile man but honors those who fear the LORD, who keeps his oath even when it hurts, 5who lends his money without usury and does not accept a bribe against the innocent. He who does these things will never be shaken.

To: Barnabus who wrote (9151)	10/30/1997 11:34:00 AM
From: Jane Hafker	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 39621

Jack, I must state my amazement to see grey areas of understanding cleared up, as in Shalom's comprehension of the unpardonable sin, and now your separating the repentant and unrepentant sin. I abandoned many very rowdy close friends in Arizona, and it is only four years later I think I need to start preaching at them again since I'm far enough away to be safe. Sin has from the beginning of Christianity been a great struggle for some of the greatest of the brethren. I certainly consider Augustine's life one of the most of the most, if can put it that way, and his struggle to forget that God made them each male and female was very great. Teresa who lived in Avila was another person who got so close to the Flame of God during the period of the Inquisition that they determined anyone who could have those kind of experiences outside of the Church rituals proscribed should probably be burned as a heretic. Thankfully she escaped that, but I had a beloved brother, Ken Steinberg, who was mesmerized by her and read a medievel biography of her, recounting to me that someone once remarked she had beautiful hands and she shoved them in her cloak and said, "and you shall never see them again." It is written by all Teresa was very very attractive. And as for beloved Paul Bunyan, who we mistake for the guy who had the blue ox, in his biography of the days before his conversions and imprisonment and 16 years in the most horrible cold, dirty starving dungeon imaginable, that he in his own words was a flagrant shirt-chaser, and I believe said" truly in all of the country of England there was no man more depraved or debauched than myself." A few years later, before going on to the wherever we go in the waiting period spoken of, he wrote Pilgrim's Progress, a book of startling profundity, and that is understatement. and the word sin is strongs does seem to mean simply missing the mark. I'm going to research it all for my own understanding later. Anyway, I do not believe, as some Christians with different brain patterns from my own, that God is so without the ability to reason that He considers "cheating on income tax the same as murder." And I quote from learned brethren in the past who have almost driven me over a cliff to early death to escape their thoughts (JUST KIDDING, don't really mean it, just kidding), "Charles Manson is no worse in God's eyes than the person who tells a lie on their resume." Anyway, I guess we all have a different God we bring people to, but I do try to hide this side of His personality from them until they are hooked--if God does indeed have such a nature, and I just haven't caught on yet. Sin is missing the mark, and that which seperates one from God, or the desire to know God. Again, the sin of life is often just plain fun, as in hanging out at a great pool bar, which is the most dangerous pit a Christian can fall into. With the churches now rock praise and hop in the air dance clubs, the difference between a good pool bar with fun people and a "charismatic" church has grown so finite that the only real difference is one serves beer, the other doesn't. But we dress the same for the most part in the "new thing God is doing." So, with all this in mind I probably shouldn't post this, but will and if my Lord does not approve it will not go through. I have not been able to get but two or three posts finished in time, and thankfully for everyone, most of what I write goes into oblivion. Understand now the phrase "all have sinned and fallen short of the Glory of God" and "if you say you have not sinned".. essentially you mock Jesus in the words of John, who was probably not much of a sinner himself, but included himself in the statement. Since my words always baffle Shalom, if there is anything the Lord would have you straighten out in my understanding of these matters, I would welcome your comments, please.