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To: mph who wrote (73508)	8/25/2009 1:40:09 PM
From: ManyMoose	2 Recommendations Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 90947

I'm on Obama overload, so that's what I read in the following: Have you ever played Omaha? I was wondering if the Obama rules were written by Bernie Madoffwithourmoney.

To: mph who wrote (73508)	8/26/2009 2:28:32 AM
From: Sully-	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 90947

Mass. Sen. Edward M. Kennedy dies news.yahoo.com

To: mph who wrote (73508)	8/26/2009 2:30:43 AM
From: Sully-	Respond to of 90947

I've played Omaha. It took a while to get the hang of it. I do agree it's fun, but I haven't seen it played in any casinos.

To: mph who wrote (73508)	8/26/2009 8:14:53 AM
From: Sully-	2 Recommendations Respond to of 90947

It makes them nuts that Cheney was right Andy McCarthy The Corner At the Standard's blog, Steve Hayes eviscerates the claims of the WPost's Greg Sargent, who wonders why the famously pro-Cheney media are not tearing into the Veep for hyping the effectiveness of enhanced interrogation tactics. As Steve relates, it could be because, by simply reading the reports that were declassified earlier this week, one learns that the coercive methods clearly worked on top terrorists KSM and Abd al-Rahim al-Nashiri (the Cole bomber), among others. Back in the spring, the Obama administration shamelessly tried to rig the "torture" debate by revealing secret interrogation tactics to our enemies but denying the American people information about the life-saving intelligence those tactics produced. The Veep didn't let them get away with it, publicly insisting that that the intel be released so the interrogation program could be judged fairly. The Obama administration tactically tried to bury the fact that Cheney was right by stonewalling for five months and then, finally, releasing the intel on the same day it disclosed a five-year-old report on interrogation abuses (and AG Holder's appointment of a prosecutor to look into same). Contrary to Sargent's deranged read on events, the media are mum because they are trying to help Obama obscure the fact that Cheney was right. But the truth is a stubborn thing. There is a principled human-rights position on all this. You can say: "No one wants to see bad things happen to people, but I honestly believe abusive tactics are so corrosive of our society's principles that it would be better for 10,000 Americans to be killed in a terrorist attack than for us to prevent the attack by subjecting a morally culpable terrorist to non-lethal forms of coercion that cause no lasting physical or mental harm." That would be the honest argument, but it is not going to persuade many people. Thus the continued pretense, against all evidence and logic, that the tactics don't work. Fewer and fewer people are fooled. corner.nationalreview.com