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To: Alastair McIntosh who wrote (8688)8/25/2009 6:03:03 PM
From: TimF  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 42652
 
No Alastair, none of those points are arguments for incentives for investment in drug development and testing under the European model.

They are reasons people might want to have new drugs, even specifically reasons why new drugs might save some people money, but they are not incentives for the drug companies to develop and test drugs. Doubling or tripling survival time is great, but unless the drug companies can charge for that benefit, it doesn't do a lot to motivate investment by them.

Phase II trials pretty much tell if the drug will work as planned and if it is an improvement on current drugs.

A lot of the cost is to develop the drug, and do phase I and phase II trials. Also you don't always find out that the drug will work better at the conclusion of phase II. In fact sometimes you can't be really certain it worked better until after its been on the market for years, or we might not even know for sure ever.

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...Steve Paul lamented at our recent PSA meeting that Phase III is "still pretty lousy," in terms of attrition rates -- around 50%. And not always for the reasons you'd expect. "You shouldn't be losing Phase III molecules for lack of efficacy," he said, but it's happening throughout the industry. (If you missed it, a recap of the PSA goings-on will be in the next IN VIVO.)

But we would expect these failures to come mostly from pharma's home-grown crop of drug candidates, not so much from the drugs accessed via high-priced biotech collaborations...

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Maribavir, Ouch
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Posted by Derek

Viropharma has announced that their Phase III trial of maribavir, a compound targeting cytomegalovirus, failed big-time. Well, they didn't used the term "big-time", but they might as well have. The treatment group (patients with recent bone marrow transplants) showed no difference in CMV infection rates compared to placebo. This is especially disappointing, considering that the compound looked pretty good in Phase II. That's a useful lesson in the difference between Phase II and the real world...

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Rolofylline Hits the Skids
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Posted by Derek

There is no good way to spin a Phase III failure. By then you've made it past the main reasons for a drug to wipe out (PK and total mechanistic failure). A breakdown at this stage is a more subtle affair (well, except for the money involved, which is not subtle at all). For example, a drug might show efficacy in a carefully constructed Phase II trial, but can't perform under the wider (and more realistic) conditions of Phase III.

That's what appears to have happened to Merck's MK-7418 (rolofylline, formerly KW-3902). This adenosine A1 antagonist, which Merck picked up by buying NovaCardia a couple of years ago, was being developed for acute heart failure. That's a tough indication, and this isn't going to improve that reputation. (This Forbes piece has a tour of the pile of discards that this area has become over the years. Rolofylline looked as if it might work in Phase II, but (from what I can tell from the press releases) missed every endpoint in Phase III...

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Arzoxifene: Not the Road to Big Profits?

Posted by Derek

Eli Lilly announced some bad news last week when they dropped arzoxifene, a once-promising osteoporosis treatment (and successor to Evista (raloxifene), which has been one of the company's big successes).

If this drug had been found ten or fifteen years ago, it might have made it though. But the trial data showed that while it made its primary endpoints (reducing vertebral fractures, for example), it missed several secondary ones (such as, well, non-vertebral fractures). And the side effect profile wasn't good, either. That combination meant that the drug was going to face at hard time at the FDA for starters, and even if it somehow got through, it would face a hard time competing with generic Fosamax (and Lilly's own Evista).

So down it went, and it sound like the right decision to make. Unfortunately, given the complexities of estrogen receptor signaling, the clinic is the only place that you can find out about such things. And there are no short, inexpensive clinical trials in osteoporosis, so the company had to run one of the big, expensive ones only to find out that arzoxifene didn't quite measure up. That's why this is a territory for the deep-pocketed, or (at the very least) for those who hope to do a deal with them at the first opportunity.

One more point is worth emphasizing. Take a look at the structures of the two compounds (from those Wikipedia links in the first paragraph). Pretty darn similar, aren't they? Arzoxifene is clearly a follow-up drug in every way - modified a bit here and there, but absolutely in the same family. A "me-too" drug, in other words, an attempt to come up with something that works similarly but sands off some of the rough edges of the previous compound. But anyone who thinks that development of a follow-up compound is easy - and a lot of people outside the industry do - should consider what happened to this one.

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To: Alastair McIntosh who wrote (8688)8/25/2009 6:07:11 PM
From: TimF  Respond to of 42652
 
Confident
Posted by Derek

I’m going to expand on one of the points brought up yesterday, about the reported drug industry executive who was confident that his company’s Alzheimer’s therapy was ready to go out and make billions of dollars. It was that word “confident” that set me off, I think.

Because that’s not a word that you hear much of in this industry. The strongest form that you’ll come across is something like “fairly confident”, which is how you feel when you send in a compound that’s a minor change off something that’s already active, or how you feel about screening a target that’s a close homologue of something you already have plenty of ligands for. You can be pretty sure in those cases that something’s going to hit – but you’ll note that both of those are pretty far upstream in the drug discovery process. As you move toward animals, that confidence begins to look pretty ragged, and depending on the disease, it can just flat-out evaporate.

Despite all our efforts to avoid the expensive little beasts, there is still no way to be sure about how your compound is going to act in an animal until you’ve put it into an animal. That goes for predicting its peak blood levels, its half-life, its metabolites, and the duration and degree of its efficacy. You can have your compounds all ranked in order of how you think they’ll perform, and that list will, every time, be reordered after a first round of animal testing.

And when you go further, you really have no idea. As I’ve said here before, if you don’t cross your fingers when you take a compound into two-week toxicity testing, you haven’t been doing this stuff very long. Despite all efforts to avoid this expensive step, two-week (and four-week and longer) tox testing in animals will always, always tell you things you didn’t know. (Most of the time it’ll tell you things you didn’t particularly want to hear). No one worth their salary will ever use the adjective “confident” before the first multiweek tox data come in.

So much for animals: how about people? Well, despite all our efforts, there are still surprises in Phase I dosing, the tip-toe clinical stage where you look for blood levels in healthy volunteers. The animal pharmacokinetic data tell you where to start the doses in humans, but you can still get ambushed. I worked on a receptor agonist project once where the human blood levels came back at just about 10% of what we’d predicted, so back to the drawing board we went. No, I’ve never heard anyone describe themselves as “confident” before Phase I.

And that’s an easy step compared to Phase II, where for the first time you put your drug into sick patients. The failure rate in Phase II is just abominable, and stands as an indictment of just how little we understand about the biochemistry of human disease and how to modify it. When you consider a central nervous system disease like Alzheimer's, the source of the "confident" quote that started this digression, the failure rate is over 90%. Our understanding of the causes and progression of Alzheimer's is very poor. That's as opposed to a more well-worked-out condition like, say, hypertension, where our understanding is merely quite inadequate.

But if you make it through that fine sieve, you move on to Phase III, a larger and more real-world look at the patient population. If your Phase II trial was designed to provide a robust test, rather than just to make you and your investors feel good, you can hope that your Phase III will work out. But the whole time it's going on, the prudent drug developer will remember that the biggest, most well-funded, and most competent research organizations in the world have all taken huge cratering dives in Phase III. You know a lot more about your compound by this stage, so these disasters don't happen as often - but that means that when they do, they rise right up out of the floor in front of you. No, you can feel better by Phase III, but "confident" is pushing it.

How about when your drug goes to the FDA? Try asking any drug company executive if they'd like to go on record as being "confident" of regulatory approval. And
when your drug actually goes to market? Is anyone really confident about those projections from the people in marketing? Pfizer sure talked a good game about Exubera, remember. Don't forget, too, that nasty side effects can always be waiting out there in the larger patient population. Even after your drug goes out and starts earning a living, it can be completely torpedoed at any time. Baycol, Vioxx, Avandia - you can name more.

So that's the story: you can never kick back and relax in this business. For all the perception that some people have of the drug industry as a sure-fire money machine, it sure doesn't look that way from inside. Anyone who describes themselves as "confident" about their new experimental medication is trying to fool their listeners. Or themselves. Maybe both.

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To: Alastair McIntosh who wrote (8688)8/26/2009 3:21:39 PM
From: TimF  Respond to of 42652
 
There's a recent article in Nature Reviews Drug Discovery that has some alarming figures in it. This is yet another look at the industry from McKinsey, and we'll get to their McKinseyish solutions in a moment. But first, some numbers:

They calculate that the return on investment (ROI) from small-molecule drug research was nearly 12% during the late 1990s, but since 2001 it's been more like 7.5%. If true, that's not a very nice number at all, because their data indicate that most companies assume a capitalization rate of between 8.5 and 11% - in other words, internal industry estimates of what it costs to develop a drug over time now run higher, on average, than the actual returns from developing one.

Another alarming bit of news is their analysis of Phase III failures. From 1990 to 2007 there were 106 of those nasty, expensive events. But the McKinsey figures are that 45% of those failures were due to insufficient efficacy versus placebo...

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