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To: combjelly who wrote (509210)	8/31/2009 1:07:29 PM
From: jlallen	4 Recommendations Respond to of 1575191

Those are the facts. Only in Moonbat World.

To: combjelly who wrote (509210)	8/31/2009 1:52:15 PM
From: i-node	Respond to of 1575191

The only correlation between EIT and their confessions is that at some point they were subjected to it. Which they did to anyone they thought had high value intelligence. The intelligence itself was gathered through conventional interrogation. This is, simply put, an untrue statement. What we know is that BEFORE being waterboarded, KSM was unhelpful. And that after being waterboarded he became extremely cooperative. Now, you can claim it didn't work (even though we have a very clear before/after snapshot). You can claim other methods might have worked better (even though nobody seems to be able to explain what those methods might be). But the Washington Post, this weekend, said: "KSM, an accomplished resistor, provided only a few intelligence reports prior to the use of the waterboard, and analysis of that information revealed that much of it was outdated, inaccurate or incomplete," according to newly unclassified portions of a 2004 report by the CIA's then-inspector general released Monday by the Justice Department. " And, they said: "Over a few weeks, he was subjected to an escalating series of coercive methods, culminating in 7 1/2 days of sleep deprivation, while diapered and shackled, and 183 instances of waterboarding. After the month-long torment, he was never waterboarded again. "What do you think changed KSM's mind?" one former senior intelligence official said this week after being asked about the effect of waterboarding. "Of course it began with that."" So, that's that. You can call others "hand wavers". You can claim we're all lying. You can argue about the facts. But the facts -- the TRUTH -- is known. And waterboarding worked and other methods didn't. Case closed.