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Politics : Liberalism: Do You Agree We've Had Enough of It? -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: TideGlider who wrote (71520)	9/4/2009 7:44:21 AM
From: lorne	3 Recommendations Respond to of 224718

Hope he has insurance! Protester's pinky finger bitten off at health care reform rally BY Lauren Johnston DAILY NEWS STAFF WRITER Thursday, September 3rd 2009, nydailynews.com He raised his fist in protest, and lost a finger. A 65-year-old man's pinky finger was bitten off Wednesday night during a California health care rally that turned into a bloody brawl, Ventura County law enforcement officials said. The trouble began soon after two opposing groups met for demonstrations on opposite sides of the same street, according to a report from the local TV station KTLA. About 100 protesters for a MoveOn.org rally met to support the Obama administration's proposed health care reforms while an anti-reform group assembled nearby to bash it. Things turned ugly when a man passing through the anti-reform group to join the MoveOn.org rally got into an altercation with the 65-year-old man – who opposed the reforms. The 65-year-old took a swing and hit the man, who fought back by biting off his assailant's finger, according to a witness at the scene. The man retrieved the severed digit and fled to a local hospital, where doctors were able to reattach it to his hand. Neither man has been identified.

To: TideGlider who wrote (71520)	9/4/2009 2:02:48 PM
From: MJ	1 Recommendation Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 224718

You and others on this board may not agree with me; however, I'll repeat what I truly believe needs to be done about health insurance-----call it health reform, Obama Care whatever. NO.1 Continue the Social Securtiy Retirement Payments for people who paid into Social Security System throughout their years of employment NO. 2 Stop taking money from SS Recipients monthly checks for Medicare; freeing people on Social Security to make their individual choice in all areas----insurance and providers----and eliminating the mandated Federal Government operated system NO. 3. Eliminate Duplication: Totally Close down the Medicare/Medicaid operation of the Federal Government-----thereby, saving Americans dollars associated with operation of the system----buildings in Washington and throughout the USA---as well as maintenance, staff , computers, record keeping and other expenses. NO. 4 Free the private, local medical facilities, and charitable facilities from the Mandates of the Social Security Medicare/Medicaid operated system Simply put, let's stop the duplication by the Federal Government of mandated healthcare that is at best not efficient and costly to all. (Doctors and hospitals must now keep two and maybe 3 and 4 sets of books (computer records) to comply with the mandates of the Federal Government. NO. 5 Getting the Federal Government out of this area of Americans' lives will free up a revolution in the medical arena unseen in decades. The bottom line is that we have allowed the Federal Government to slip in like a thief in the night and usurp individual choice and responsibilty-------whether of the individual or the local levels of enterprise and community. Time to take back those responsibilities and get the Federal Government out of these vital areas. This is the moral imperative of the American people. mj

To: TideGlider who wrote (71520)	9/8/2009 1:51:17 AM
From: RMF	Respond to of 224718

If I were on Medicare I'd be wondering where those "cuts" were coming from too. If people had been saying, "You say you're going to be cutting Medicare by $500 Billion over ten years and I want to know if that means I'm going to face cuts in my healthcare under your plan" then I wouldn't have questioned them. But they WEREN'T saying that. They were people ON Medicare saying they DIDN'T want government INVOLVED with their healthcare. I'm not sure what I'm "supposedly" apologizing" for?