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To: Rambi who wrote (120619)	9/8/2009 10:33:38 PM
From: epicure	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 541880

I wonder how many of the people who disrupted the debate on health care are 1. already on the public dole, or 2. are vulnerable to being thrust on it or 3. are susceptible to job loss and the loss of their insurance. These don't seem to be rich educated folks protesting "socialized" medicine. These seem to be folks one step away from holding up a little sigh that says "Will work for Insulin". If someone said to these people- "So, you'd rather have corporate America run your health care, since corporate America is so compassionate and ethical?" You think anyone would say "Yeah- absolutely. The folks who fed ground up sheep to cows- that's who I want to run my health care!!! And don't get me started on how much I admire all the other ethical standards of corporate America..." Yeah right As John said earlier, paraphrasing someone else, this issue has been framed WAY wrong.

To: Rambi who wrote (120619)	9/8/2009 10:35:55 PM
From: JohnM	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 541880

I don't see how this is all workable if there is no way to force down the cost of healthcare premiums, to insure no pre-existing conditions turn downs, to provide portability between jobs, to make healthcare insurance affordable, etc. To date, the only plan that has seemed to me that does it is a robust public health option (Medicare +). If something can be written that provides that assurance and is a trigger, I would like to look it over carefully, see how it stands up to serious criticism, but it might prove acceptable. If, and this is my big if, it both provides that assurance and gets a "good" healthcare bill enacted. My bottom line. Talked with our son-in-law Sunday who just quit his job as a jazz teacher in a Brooklyn private school because he wants to devote more time to his jazz playing and composing career. And may well have enough gigs to afford to do it. The problem, of course, is health insurance premiums. If he faces a mandate with a large fine if he does not do it, and no affordable option, he is lost for future political stuff for some time. And he's been an avid Obama supporter. I think he's an illustration of a lot of young people.