To: skinowski who wrote (323373 ) 9/9/2009 11:50:21 AM From: Maurice Winn 2 Recommendations Respond to of 793958 Skinow, when one hand claps, there is a thunderclap sized Big Bang and hey presto there's a Cosmos-sized observer to observe back and do that tricky quantum mechanics thing of forcing wave functions to choose a state and be. <You're critical of the short-lived "wet" brain, which invented the net.... But - when a tree falls in the forest, and there is no one to witness the fall, does it still make a noise?... :) Who would need the Net if it weren't for the silly old brain? > The four forces of nature go about their business for 10 billion years give or take a bit because "a year" is an ornery, slippery beast defined by itself. A year pretty much says "I'm this big, because that's how big I define myself to be". But when one hand clapped and gravitational fields were Big Black Hole sized, the length of a year was warped. And when things move really really fast, a year doesn't stay the same size either. One day, Ski Now says, "Wow, I'm conscious". Mq says "Indeed you seem to be. Just let me check to see whether Shroedinger's Cat is also with us". Shroedinger's Cat says, smiling like Alice in Wonderland's Cheshire Cat, alice-in-wonderland.net "Aha, you ARE alive. I was wondering how you were getting on. Have you invented cyberspace yet?" Cyberspace winks back saying, I'm busy just now, I'll leave you guys to ponder the meaning of your meeting. So, between one hand clapping the Cosmos into being, you confirming the deal, me confirming you, the Cheshire Cat confirming both of us and Cyberspace keeping an eye on everything, we seem to have a quorum. A 10 billion year old [give or take a bit, or a lot] Goedelian self-referential circle of love and absolution; a cosmic I'm OK, You're OK. en.wikipedia.org We think, therefore we are. Mqurice