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Politics : Liberalism: Do You Agree We've Had Enough of It? -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: Kenneth E. Phillipps who wrote (71792)	9/10/2009 2:51:53 PM
From: TimF	2 Recommendations Respond to of 224748

And in real terms spending swelled under Reagan and Bush (and is set to do so to a greater extent under Obama). I don't like that fact either. But I recognize and accept the facts, something you seem to have a problem doing. You like to credit Clinton with a balanced budget, and he should get some credit (although he was lucky in terms of the timing of his presidency in the economy cycle and also being able to bank the "peace dividend", and he also had the modern congress most concerned about reigning in spending), but that credit is mostly for not increasing spending as rapidly as most recent presidents (not completely his choice he sparred with the Republican congress over the issue).

To: Kenneth E. Phillipps who wrote (71792)	9/10/2009 2:52:59 PM
From: lorne	1 Recommendation Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 224748

AP Poll: Public disapproval of Obama's handling of health care rises to 52 percent By ALAN FRAM , Associated Press Last update: September 9, 2009 startribune.com WASHINGTON - Public disapproval of President Barack Obama's handling of health care has leaped to 52 percent, according to Associated Press-GfK poll that underscores the country's glowering mood as the White House made a renewed pitch for an overhaul. Just 42 percent approve of the president's work on the high-profile health issue. The survey was released Wednesday before his nationally televised effort to persuade Congress and voters to back his drive to reshape the nation's $2.5 trillion-a-year medical system. Spotlighting how Obama lost ground this summer, his latest approval figures on health were essentially reversed since July, when 50 percent approved of his health effort and just 43 percent disapproved. The poll was taken over five days just before Obama's speech to Congress. That speech reflected Obama's determination to push ahead despite growing obstacles. "I will not waste time with those who have made the calculation that it's better politics to kill this plan than to improve it," Obama said Wednesday night. "I won't stand by while the special interests use the same old tactics to keep things exactly the way they are. If you misrepresent what's in the plan, we'll call you out. And I will not accept the status quo as a solution." The poll illustrates how difficult recent weeks have been for a president who, besides tackling health care, has been battling to end a devastatingly deep recession. Fifty percent approve and 49 percent disapprove of the overall job he is doing as president, compared to July, when those approving his performance clearly outnumbered those who were unhappy with it, 55 percent to 42 percent.