To: LLCF who wrote (3003 ) 9/11/2009 7:55:16 AM From: Brumar89 Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 69300 Perhaps Paris Hilton is self-actualized as what she appears to be - a shallow airhead. ?? Since we don't really know what "self-actualization" is, why not? ----------------------- Okay, that map of consciousness and the numbers applied to various things, whatever it means, if anything, is something other than Maslows heirarchy. The heirarchy says there are levels of needs, all of which must be met in sequence to feel the next level of need: "When all of the foregoing needs are satisfied, then and only then are the needs for self-actualization activated." Like a set of stairs. You step up one step and you're confronted with the need to go up another step. -----------------------------------------------Sure, I agree, M's H is nothing to bet the ranch on... Ah. Why not just go all the way and say its worthless. ------------------------------------------------ yet one can see the idea every day... scared people do wild things, as to threatened people. "Fight or flight" taking over the physiology is simply a fact IMHO... living under duress long term creates all sorts of physiological and psychological problems and changes... that much is certain. Fight or flight is a matter of instinct, of course. But we also know that threatened scared people do regularly sacrifice their interests for loved ones, for causes, for internal codes. People aren't reduced to physiological instinct or don't have to be. And conversely, we know that people don't have to be scared, threatened, or stressed to be reduced to doing wild things, to be driven by physiological needs. People do that every day too, without being driven to it by fear or hunger or .... ------------------------------------------<Frankly, I don't that there is any such thing as self-actualization.> I'm not sure what he means by that... "enlightenment" perhaps? Its a pretty big part of the heirarchy isn't it? Its the summit that people will be working toward. If its really something vague and indefinable, whats it do for the whole heirarchy thing? Haven't studied it enough, just think it makes pretty good general sense. Everybody hears it in some college class, psych or sociology or general management class ... all touchy feely vague areas of study .... and most people think sure that makes sense. Unless you really think about it, that is.