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Politics : Should God be replaced? -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: Greg or e who wrote (27157)	9/15/2009 4:01:29 PM
From: Steve Felix	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 28931

Well, we can't all be Crusaders. "Their behavior was worse during the siege of Marra. The Christian army resorted to cannibalism; digging up corpses for their own consumption. When they finally entered the city, all adults were murdered, even those who had paid the Christian leader, Bohemond (c1052-1111), large sums of money to spare their lives. The children were sold to the slave market at Antioch. [7] If Bohemond was cruel, Godfrey's conquest of Jerusalem was barbaric. The crusaders forced their way into Jerusalem on the 15th of July 1099. For the next two days there was ensued a continuous massacre by them of the inhabitants of Jerusalem, both Muslims and Jews. The carnage is preserved for posterity by many eye-witness account. Given below is one taken from Gesta Francorum (The Deeds of the Franks): The defenders fled along the walls and through the city, and our men pursued them killing and cutting them down as far as Solomon's Temple, where there was such a massacre that our men were wading ankle deep in blood ... Then the crusaders rushed around the whole city, seizing gold and silver, horses and mules, and looting the housing that were full of costly things. Then, rejoicing and weeping from excess of happiness, they all came to worship and give thanks at the sepulchre of our saviour Jesus. Next morning, they went cautiously up the temple roof and attacked the Saracens, both men and women [who had taken refuge there], cutting off their heads with drawn swords ... Our leaders then gave orders that all the Saracen corpses should be thrown outside the city because of the stench, for almost the whole city was full of dead bodies ... such a slaughter of pagans had never been seen or heard of, for they were burned in pyres like pyramids, and none save God alone knows how many they were. [8] Another eyewitness account, by Raymond of Aguiles, not only corroborates the above account but conveys a sense of his own religious ecstasy at experiencing such a complete and total Christian victory: Wonderful sights were to be seen. Some of our men (and this was more merciful) cut off the heads of their enemies; others shoot them with arrows, so that they fell from the towers; others tortured them longer by casting them into flames. Piles of heads, hands and feet were to be seen in the streets of the city. It was necessary to pick one's way over the bodies of men and horses. But these were small matters compared to what happened at the Temple of Solomon, a place where religious services are normally chanted ... in the temple and the porch of Solomon, men rode in blood up to their knees and bridle reins. Indeed it was a just and splendid judgement of God that this place should be filled with the blood of unbelievers since it had suffered so long from their blasphemies. [9] A total of about 40,000 Muslims were killed in that two-day massacre of Jerusalem. [10] The Jews were murdered along with the Muslims, many were huddled into the synagogues and burned alive. [11] Thus was Jerusalem saved by the Christians from infidel hands."

To: Greg or e who wrote (27157)	9/15/2009 7:05:49 PM
From: LLCF	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 28931

<Pleas stop with all the sophomoric rolling and laughing when all it shows is that you are too immature to engage in serious discussions.> Guy... I'm laughing my ass off because the SOPHOMORIC part of our discussion was you posting that drivel; as if it is some sort of authority! Common, it is a laugh. < As to the merit of the case; It's simple math that even someone with your diminished capacity can easily see.> Yea, just like it's sooooooo simple that the 'three pillars of evolution' are obviously crumbling... common, sophomoric? YEA!! NO SHIT! Common, out with it... let's see the "simple math"! OTOH, naw, just run away again, I'm already busting a gut here!!!!!! <I defined it several times in different ways but you have shown yourself to be an unreasonable ideologue who is unwilling to listen to facts or reason.> Unwilling? I asked questions about a one sentence explanation and you couldn't answer ONE of them. Yea, there's someone unwilling to further dialogue alright... the same sophomore accusing others of it. <and refuse to recognize that the Christian God (BY DEFINITION!) is personal, as opposed to some force.> ROFLMAO.... guy there is force involved in everything and anything that ever happens. You're trying to say God can't do anything. <I'm not going to waste my time arguing with you because you aren't interested in what's true. BYE> Well, we can all see 'whats true' for you: dashing in and out of threads proclaiming knowledge while exhibiting none. It's OK though... sophomoric and immature behaviour seemingly abounds in the wacko-creationist world. DAK