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To: Knighty Tin who wrote (119356)	9/18/2009 3:49:55 PM
From: Broken_Clock	1 Recommendation Respond to of 132070

WH ON HEALTH CARE, ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS Posted: Friday, September 11, 2009 6:04 PM by Domenico Montanaro Filed Under: White House From NBC's Mike Viqueira The White House tonight is providing the below clarification on what the president's health-care proposals would mean when it comes to the issue of illegal immigrants. The question, as we all know, arises from the Wilson "You lie" outburst, and the core claim that notwithstanding specific bill language barring illegal immigrants from participating in the "exchange," as a practical matter, there is no way of verifying the citizenship of applicants -- which is the current state of play. Republicans say that then means illegal immigrants would end up being enrolled in plans -- bill language or no bill language. Today, for the first time as far as we know, the administration is backing a provision that would require proof of citizenship before someone could enroll in a plan selected on the exchange. Here, the administration also concedes that hospitals would be compensated with public funds for the care of undocumented immigrants. The bullet points sent tonight by the White House: Undocumented immigrants would not be able to buy private insurance on the exchange. Those who are lawfully present in this country would be able to participate. Undocumented immigrants would be able to buy insurance in the non-exchange private market, just as they do today. That market will shrink as the exchange takes hold, but it will still exist and will be subject to reforms such as the bans on pre-existing conditions and caps. Verification will be required when purchasing health insurance on the exchange. One option is the SAVE program (Systematic Alien Verification for Entitlements) which states currently use to make sure that undocumented immigrants don't participate in safety-net programs for which they are ineligible. There would be no change in the law that requires emergency rooms to treat people who need emergency care, including undocumented immigrants. There is already a federal grant program that compensates states for emergency room costs associated with treatment of undocumented immigrants, a provision sponsored by a Republican lawmaker.

To: Knighty Tin who wrote (119356)	9/18/2009 11:52:25 PM
From: Skeeter Bug	1 Recommendation Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 132070

Knighty, a law is meaningless without enforcement. the demicans voted down enforcement at least twice - and the only reason for doing so is to PREVENT ENFORCEMENT and ALLOW THE LAW TO BECOME EFFECTIVELY NULL AND VOID. i went over this before. the verbiage of an unenforced law is meaningless. meaningless. meaningless. it is against the law to commit fraud, too. but it wasn't enforced against the bankers that did it. nor the mortgage companies. nor the ratings agencies. in short, the law prevented nothing b/c it wasn't enforced. this law was no different - and the demicans REFUSED ENFORCEMENT PROVISIONS. they did that b/c THEY DIDN'T WANT ENFORCEMENT of their own law! there is no other reason. amazingly, after obama was called out on the national stage this became THE issue, NOW obama says he wants enforcement for a previously unenforced (by design) MEANINGLESS law. as i said, i have no problem giving illegal immigrants health care as long as we get compensated from their country of origin (even if it is by reducing current payouts to said nation - as long as we can pretend to pay anyone money as those days are coming to an end). again, relying on a purposefully unenforced law to make your argument that it would've been enforced is simply a very bad argument, imho. if the republicrats tried this same "trick" to pass mislead the public to get one of their goals done you'd instantly understand the underlying fraud in the process.