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To: koan who wrote (514559)	9/19/2009 2:58:55 PM
From: longnshort	Respond to of 1577920

we live in a republic not a democracy. The incumbent has a ton of power, free mailings etc. and with the dems they win votes with Largess something the fathers feared

To: koan who wrote (514559)	9/19/2009 3:03:02 PM
From: Taro	2 Recommendations Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 1577920

What do you know about Sweden and Denmark and where did you learn what you pretend to know? Reading New York Times and similar rags exclusively, right? I am Swedish and also lived (studied and worked there) for 21 years in Copenhagen. I left and I left for good reasons like so many other highly qualified people. Just a short one: Sweden is the size of California and just aro 9 million people live there. They have abundant water power, iron ore supplies and forests to serve any kind of leisure style socialism you could only dream of. Even the worst of politicians couldn't thus run it into the ground. Not that they haven't tried... Taro

To: koan who wrote (514559)	9/19/2009 3:10:05 PM
From: Brumar89	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 1577920

Sweden & Denmark certainly value pacifism, weakness, appeasement, and nanny state socialism better than we do. Whether or not thats good depends on your values.

To: koan who wrote (514559)	9/19/2009 3:17:45 PM
From: longnshort	2 Recommendations Respond to of 1577920

Denmark was attacked by Germany on the morning of April 9, 1940 and surrendered before noon of the same day. (way to go lasted a whole 3 hours) then lived like slaves until we freed them. Good thing for Denmark that a country like the USA existed. Don't ya think ?

To: koan who wrote (514559)	9/19/2009 3:22:41 PM
From: longnshort	Respond to of 1577920

"The world is a dangerous place, not because of those who do evil, but because of those who look on and do nothing." - -- Albert Einstein

To: koan who wrote (514559)	9/19/2009 3:53:53 PM
From: i-node	Respond to of 1577920

Koan: First Denmark and Sweden function better than we do in every way imaginable way and have a much larger welfare state. And if that is what a person wants he or she should live in Sweden or Denmark. You see how this works? It is a complicated subject. You claim Sweden and Denmark function "better" than we do, but more rational people don't see it that way. For example, both are TOTALLY dependent on the United States for their national defense. Both (as well as the rest of the world) are SUBSTANTIALLY dependent on the United States for advances in medical technologies. The worse thing that can happen to them is for the US to get socialized medicine. And Bush doubled the deficit from 5 to 10 trillion in his 8 years and got us in debt to China for 2 trillion. And he has nothing to show for it but a world financial calamity. Both 9/11 and the economic crash happened while HE was president. It is true that the national debt rose by about four (not five) trillion during Bush's two terms versus only about 1.8 Trillion during Clinton's two terms. But Bush inherited a collapsing economy (tech bubble) plus 9/11 which entailed massive expenditures for national defense IN ADDITION to fighting two wars (I will not argue the necessity issue with you, as it is an immaterial point). As to the "financial calamity" -- it is disingenuous to claim that was Bush's doing. The subject is a very big one, however. These small increases in debt are unimportant when considered in the context of the the $50 Trillion in debt we have due to failed social programs of Social Security and Medicare. The two trillion difference between Bush and Clinton is MEANINGLESS when considered in this context.