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To: Moominoid who wrote (55370)9/22/2009 8:17:00 PM
From: carranza2  Respond to of 217986
 
If you had studied the issue for a nanosecond, you'd know. It was the perfectly legitimate enforcement of Honduran law. Not a coup at all. And since when do we support our enemies, which Zelaya and his good buddy, Chavez, most assuredly are?

And the Brazilians are meddling in the internal affairs of a sovereign nation by harboring Zelaya. Shame on them. And on Hillary C. and Obama, too, for squelching the legitimate processes Honduras implemented for getting rid of a serious problem which has plagued it for years. Esp. Hillary, that witch:

online.wsj.com

This blog, by an American expat, is very informative:

lagringasblogicito.blogspot.com

You'll learn how Honduras implemented laws to preclude the rule of caudillos, like the corrupt jackass Zelaya, and how the jackass broke them, resulting in his legitimate ouster, here:

articles.latimes.com

In Honduras, ‘coup’ was legal reaction to Zelaya

By Miguel A. Estrada

Honduras, the tiny Central American nation, had a change of leaders June 28. The country’s military arrested President Manuel Zelaya — in his pajamas, he says — and put him on a plane bound for Costa Rica. A new president, Roberto Micheletti, was appointed. Led by Cuba and Venezuela, the international community swiftly condemned this so-called “coup.”

Something clearly has gone awry with the rule of law in Honduras — but it is not necessarily what you think. Begin with Zelaya’s arrest. The Supreme Court of Honduras, as it turns out, had ordered the military to arrest Zelaya two days earlier. A second order (issued on the same day) authorized the military to enter Zelaya’s home to execute the arrest. These orders were issued at the urgent request of the country’s attorney general. They make for interesting reading.

What you’ll learn is that the Honduran Constitution may be amended in any way except three. No amendment can ever change (1) the country’s borders, (2) the rules that limit a president to a single four-year term and (3) the requirement that presidential administrations must “succeed one another” in a “republican form of government.”

In addition, Article 239 specifically states that any president who so much as proposes the permissibility of re-election “shall cease forthwith” in his duties, and Article 4 provides that any “infraction” of the succession rules constitutes treason. The rules are so tight because these are terribly serious issues for Honduras, which lived under decades of military rule.

Zelaya is the type of leader who could cause a country to wish for a Richard Nixon. Earlier this year, with only a few months left in his term, he ordered a referendum on whether a new constitutional convention should convene to write a wholly new constitution. Because the only conceivable motive for such a convention would be to amend the unamendable parts of the existing constitution, it was easy to conclude — as virtually everyone in Honduras did — that this was nothing but a backdoor effort to change the rules governing presidential succession.

The attorney general filed suit and secured a court order halting the referendum. Zelaya then said the voting would go forward just the same, but it would be called an “opinion survey.” The courts again ruled this illegal. Undeterred, Zelaya directed the head of the armed forces, Gen. Romeo Vasquez, to proceed with the “survey” — and “fired” him when he declined. The Supreme Court ruled the firing illegal and ordered Vasquez reinstated.

Zelaya had the ballots printed in Venezuela, but these were impounded by customs when they were brought back to Honduras. On June 25 — three days before he was ousted — Zelaya personally gathered a group of “supporters” and led it to seize the ballots, restating his intent to conduct the “survey” June 28. That was the breaking point for the attorney general, who immediately sought a warrant from the Supreme Court for Zelaya’s arrest on charges of treason, abuse of authority and other crimes. In response, the court ordered Zelaya’s arrest by the country’s army, which under Article 272 must enforce compliance with the Constitution, particularly with respect to presidential succession.

It would seem from this that Zelaya’s arrest by the military was legal, and rather well-justified to boot. But, unfortunately, the tale did not end there. Rather than taking Zelaya to jail and then to court to face charges, the military shipped him off to Costa Rica. This illegality may entitle Zelaya to return to Honduras. But does it require that he be returned to power?

No. As noted, Article 239 states clearly that one who behaves as Zelaya did in attempting to change presidential succession ceases immediately to be president. If there were any doubt on that score, the Congress removed it by convening immediately after Zelaya’s arrest, condemning his illegal conduct and overwhelmingly voting (122 to 6) to remove him from office.

It cannot be right to call this a “coup.” Micheletti was lawfully made president by the country’s elected Congress. The president is a civilian. The Honduran Congress and courts continue to function as before. The armed forces are under civilian control. The elections scheduled for November are still scheduled for November. Indeed, after reviewing the Constitution and consulting with the Supreme Court, the Congress and the electoral tribunal, respected Cardinal Oscar Andres Rodriguez Maradiaga recently stated that the only possible conclusion is that Zelaya had lawfully been ousted under Article 239 before he was arrested, and that democracy in Honduras continues fully to operate in accordance with law.

True, Zelaya should not have been arbitrarily exiled from his homeland. That, however, does not mean he must be reinstalled as president. It merely makes him an indicted private citizen with a meritorious immigration beef against his country.

Miguel Estrada is a partner at Gibson, Dunn & Crutcher in Washington. A native Honduran, he was a member of the U.S. delegation to Zelaya’s 2006 inauguration.



To: Moominoid who wrote (55370)9/22/2009 8:45:31 PM
From: carranza2  Respond to of 217986
 
La gringa's brilliant blogicito now demands that Blagojevich be returned as governor of Illinois. I love it!

Perhaps Blago can hang out at the Brazilian consulate in Chicago while Honduras pressures the US for a return of the illegally ousted Governor:

lagringasblogicito.blogspot.com

Restore Rod Blagojevich and democracy to Illinois
Rod Blagojevich, the democratically elected Governor of Illinois

We, the citizens and residents of Honduras and the world, are profoundly conscious of the actual situation in the State of Illinois in the United States of America, and the instability of its democratic system. We DEPLORE the manner in which democracy has failed in the great State of Illinois. In order to restore democracy in Illinois, we vehemently proclaim the following:

We DEMAND the immediate and unconditional restitution of the democratically elected governor of Illinois, Rod Blagojevich, to his constitutional duties. Honduran attorneys have reviewed the circumstances, taken a glance at the constitution, and find that all actions taken against Governor Blagojevich were unjust and illegal. We vehemently CONDEMN the undemocratic actions taken by the elite, politically motivated oligarchy as well as the conspiracy to damage his reputation by wealthy media owners.

Further, we INSIST that Governor Blagojevich be given amnesty for these fabricated and politically motivated charges of violating laws and ethics since a fair trial under a de facto regime is impossible. Further, we DEMAND that his term be extended to restore the days for which he was elected but was deprived of his elected office.

No other governor of Illinois will be recognized until the state of Illinois submits to our demands. State elections held under the de facto regime of dictator Pat Quinn will not be recognized. All appointments, including the US Senate seat appointment from Illinois will be considered de facto.

We REPUDIATE all laws passed in the state of Illinois subsequent to the date of Governor Blagojevich's illegal removal and consider said laws null and void and unenforceable. By extension, due to the appointment of the de facto United States Senator by the de facto governor/dictator of Illinois, we also REPUDIATE all laws of the Unitied States of America passed under this undemocratic regime as null and void and unenforceable.

We DEMAND that the de facto governor submit himself to mediation to restore democracy in Illinois. Honduran President Roberto Micheletti will be named mediator. We DEMAND that the de facto regime and Illinois courts and congress submit to his decision. During this mediation, only facts provided by Blagojevich co-conspirators supporters will be considered. Any evidence of crimes by Governor Blagojevich will be discarded as obviously fabricated to justify this crime against humanity.

We are guided by the words of the great José Miguel Insulza, Secretary General of the Organization of American States, “If you want to have democratic rule in the region, if you want people to believe in your democratic institutions, if you want to improve the quality of democracy, and correct all its defects, don’t try to justify the rape of democracy”. In other words, any attempt to prove the legality of Governor Blagojevich's removal merely points to the far reaching extent of the conspiracy against him by all members of the Illinois community. We WILL NOT listen or negotiate with co-conspirators.

We further DEMAND that a truth and reconciliation commission headed by former Honduran president Manuel Zelaya be appointed to administer the government and public funds of the State of Illinois while conducting investigations. The truth and reconciliation commission will also include all former Honduran ministers under Zelaya's administration. The state of Illinois will be responsible for paying the salary and all expenses, including travel, of the commission members, their families, and their horses.

We wish to express our solidarity with the repressed people of Illinois. We have been informed by Governor Blagojevich of the months of repression and human rights abuses suffered by the Illinois people. We DEMAND that national and international human rights groups document and report all human rights abuses. We CONDEMN all "detentions" which have occurred since the coup d'etat. Any persons taken into custody, arrested, or tried under this repressive regime will be considered political prisoners who must be released immediately.

Further, we INSIST that human rights violation reports be taken only from Blagojevich supporters. The de facto government is responsible for creating this oppressive regime of terror, therefore any crimes committed against the state or de facto regime supporters are a result of the government's own actions. All murders occurring in the state of Illinois since the removal of Governor Blagojevich are further evidence of this oppressive, brutal regime.

While we support the innocent citizens of Illinois, we DEMAND that anyone involved in the removal of Governor Rod Blagojevich or anyone who supported that removal afterward be pressured to restore him by cancellation of visas and passports and freezing of bank accounts and any other assets until this rape of democracy is properly addressed and the democratically elected Governor Blagojevich is restored to office.

We INSIST that the United States of America, the United Nations, the Organization of American States, and the Eurpean Union take severe economic actions against this illegal usurper regime in order to restore democracy to the state of Illinois. Federal government assistance should be suspended. Trade with companies in the state of Illinois should be suspended. Illinois should be condemned by the world.

Finally, in words paraphrased from the US State Department Assistant Secretary of State, Philip J. Crowley: Illinois, there is no way out of this box. You put yourself into it and it is up to you to submit to world demands to get yourself out. Because of the intransigence of the de facto regime, we call upon the people of Illinois and the international community to join forces against this grave disturbance of the democratic process. Failure to comply with our demands will result in international isolation.

The world cannot allow this horrendous action action against a democratically elected politician to stand. We can not return to the days of corrupt politicians being held accountable for their actions. This travesty could put into jeopardy corrupt leaders all over the world.
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