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To: one_less who wrote (27311)	9/24/2009 6:41:36 PM
From: Greg or e	Respond to of 28931

Good post Less except I have to disagree about Jesus being a rabbi. Jesus was called a rabbi by the people as a term of respect. That in no way means that He had been given any official recognition or status to sentence anyone. The fact that the authorities actually orchestrated this event in an effort to discredit Him is proof enough of that. I think you are right about the rest of the story though. He was asked what the Law said and He answered in a way that was both faithful to the truth but also in a way which cleverly avoided the trap that was set for Him "Rabbis, Priests, and Other Religious Functionaries Level: Basic jewfaq.org Rabbi "A rabbi is not a priest, neither in the Jewish sense of the term nor in the Christian sense of the term. In the Christian sense of the term, a priest is a person with special authority to perform certain sacred rituals. A rabbi, on the other hand, has no more authority to perform rituals than any other adult male member of the Jewish community. In the Jewish sense of the term, a priest (kohein) is a descendant of Aaron, charged with performing various rites in the Temple in connection with religious rituals and sacrifices. Although a kohein can be a rabbi, a rabbi is not required to be a kohein. A rabbi is simply a teacher, a person sufficiently educated in halakhah (Jewish law) and tradition to instruct the community and to answer questions and resolve disputes regarding halakhah. When a person has completed the necessary course of study, he is given a written document known as a semikhah, which confirms his authority to make such decisions. When I speak generally of things that were said or decided by "the rabbis" or "the sages," I am speaking of matters that have been generally agreed upon by authoritative Jewish scholars over the centuries. When I speak of rabbinical literature, I speak of the writings of the great rabbis on a wide variety of subjects. Since the destruction of the Temple, the role of the kohanim has diminished, and rabbis have taken over the spiritual leadership of the Jewish community. In this sense, the rabbi has much the same role as a Protestant minister, ministering to the community, leading community religious services and dealing with many of the administrative matters related to the synagogue. However, it is important to note that the rabbi's status as rabbi does not give him any special authority to conduct religious services. Any Jew sufficiently educated to know what he is doing can lead a religious service, and a service led by such a Jew is every bit as valid as a service led by a rabbi. It is not unusual for a community to be without a rabbi, or for Jewish services to be conducted without a rabbi, or for members of the community to lead all or part of religious services even when a rabbi is available."

To: one_less who wrote (27311)	9/24/2009 7:03:46 PM
From: Solon	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 28931

"Jesus was a Rabbi. Rabbis were charged by the religious authority with judging and sentencing crimes."I don't believe there was an historical Jesus (of the Gospel) but you are absolutely correct in the biblical context. "He did not violate Roman law since the sentence was not carried out, he did not violate Jewish law since he recognized her conduct as sin and provided a seemingly fair contingency for her punishment." When we are talking about savage ritual tribal laws we need to analyze behavior in accordance with the primitive savage mindset (there really is no other way if we are seriously pretending to address the "right" or the "wrong" of such actions in such context). As a Rabbi enjoined to obey the law of God (through Moses) NOT THE LAW OF MAN, Jesus sidestepped and evaded the LAW and his personal MORAL OBLIGATION. It may well have been wise (as you say) but it was a SIN and a CRIME just the same...(and it was a more serious and contemptible crime than the SIN and the CRIME of the woman seeking love). "He did not violate Roman law since the sentence was not carried out, he did not violate Jewish law since he recognized her conduct as sin and provided a seemingly fair contingency for her punishment." Religious commentary and Hermeneutics have usually interpreted this passage from the New Testament slant of not only FORGIVING the woman (a Godly prerogative) but PROTECTING her from a LAW HE was superseding. Jesus broke the Law of Moses many times. I consider him a criminal from that perspective. And if He had pleaded with Abraham to warn Mary, Joseph, the adulteress, etc. then Abraham would have said..."To Hell with you"--just as he did to the rich man who pleaded to warn the ignorant. The rich man was the only person in the passage showing compassion. He asked nothing for himself but pleaded that some caring should be given to the misinformed and the ignorant. NOT A SINGLE WORD FOR PERSONAL HELP. How much greater such a man than sinners and sickos such as "King" David, Noah, Lot, Solomon, etc.