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To: Bill who wrote (20162)10/1/2009 11:09:10 AM
From: DuckTapeSunroof  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 103300
 
It is factually incorrect to say that you have 'grown' a 'deficit' that has not yet even happened or been realized... and is, in fact, nothing yet but a very tentative projection and still subject to many, many future policy and budget choices that have YET TO EVEN BEEN MADE YET.

Not a single Obama budget has yet been submitted. (The *first* Obama administration budget isn't until FY 2010. Same as Bush's first budget wasn't until FY 2002, as per usual for any new President....)

Many, many changes yet to be implemented, (all of which will alter the baseline projections):

Health Care changes (17% of American economy and fastest rising contributor to federal debt) yet to be enacted.

Tax changes (simplification, loophole elimination, whatever) yet to even be proposed.

Pay-As-You-Go rules for future budgets are promised but yet to be approved by Congress.

Range of economic growth coming out of the Great Recession still a great unknown (and one of the VERY LARGEST influences on federal revenue and borrowing).

Energy policy changes, corporate welfare changes, Social Security changes, etc., etc., etc. can all be expected in the next few years >>> rendering all of the current 'projections' moot as baseline numbers change dramatically.

The CBO projection

But... back to that one CBO BUDGET PROJECTION you are talking about, (You know, those 10 year deficit projections that have been talked about so much here and all over the media....)

Has you noticed yet what WASN'T TRUMPETED in the media's coverage?

(And remember... Obama hasn't even had a chance yet to come up with whatever spending reductions he might or might not want to get around to - PAYGO rules for budgeting, etc....)

Well, anyway... CBO's ten year projection of the US's expected deficit says this: the HIGHEST DEFICIT that CBO projects is for this current year, FY 2009. They project a deficit of $1.18 Trillion for this year, and they estimate that EACH YEAR thereafter (the next nine years in their ten year projection) the deficits will be LESS!. (Measured as a percentage of GNP, of course.)

(Note: this is *before* Obama even gets to input any of his deficit reduction policies....)

Put another way what CBO projects is a truly terrible 12% of GNP deficit for this near-Depression FY 2009... falling to 7.9% of GNP next year... and then falling further each additional year.... (Just like President Clinton managed to reduce federal deficits from the terrible deficit baseline that the first President Bush left in his wake, I expect that President Obama will steadily reduce the monstrous structural deficits that the second Bush left behind.)


ON THE OTHER-HAND THOUGH, history is history.

Immutable, inviolate, no longer subject to changes....

And, there, in the historical record, there is some very stark evidence for HOW TO *GROW* FEDERAL DEFICITS INTO REAL MONSTERS:


Presidents and the Federal Debt

White House Data Confirms: Reagan-Bush Administrations
Created Post-WWII Federal Debt

zfacts.com

GRAPH OF DEBT HISTORY SHOWING PRESIDENTS (April 2006 data point --- note that Bush II wound up exceeding even this prediction for his second term. National Debt is up 5.3 Trillion since Bush II became president.)



Contributions of Presidents to the Gross Federal Debt



The Presidential contributions to the gross federal debt are computed from data available from the White House.gov in the Historical Tables, Table 7.1 (PDF), p. 118, for FY 2005. The graph and data are also available in this XLS source file.

For each term in office, the President is responsible for four fiscal year budgets starting Oct. 1 of the year they take office and ending Sept. 30, eight months after they leave office. Table 7.1 gives the gross federal debt as a % of GDP at the end of every fiscal year since 1940. Each President's federal debt contribution was computed by simply subtracting the value at the start of his first FY from the value at the end of his last FY.

All Presidents prior to Reagan contributed to paying off the huge WWII debt. The graph also credits the drop in federal debt as a percent of GDP under Clinton towards repayment of the remaining WWII debt and not towards paying off the Reagan-Bush debt. That would simply hide their impact by making it appear that more of the current federal debt was left over from WWII. Had Reagan-Bush simply managed to break even, the WWII debt would have been as low as it's shown to be.

Debt held by the Federal Reserve System is purchased by printing money; the purpose of these "open market operations" is to put more currency into circulation. The most recent figures used for this part of the federal debt are available from the St. Louis Fed. This was divided by GDP figures provided by the Department of Commerce.

Since all Presidents from Truman on have reduced the gross federal debt except Reagan and the Bushes, the part remaining from WWII is found by subtracting their debt contributions (and the FRS contribution) from the current federal debt total.
Keywords: Federal Debt, National Debt
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Data on National Debt by President

From dKosopedia
dkosopedia.com

There is a similar page on wiki.

The Table

Left Debt Change
Office Years %GDP per Year
R:Bush II 2002 2 59.80 0.90
D:Clinton 2000 8 58.00 -0.76
R:Bush I 1992 4 64.10 3.05
R:Reagan 1988 8 51.90 2.31
D:Carter 1980 4 33.40 -0.70
R:Ford 1976 3 36.20 0.20
R:Nixon 1973 5 35.60 -1.38
D:Johnson 1968 5 42.50 -1.86
D:Kennedy 1963 3 51.80 -1.40
R:Eisenhower 1960 8 56.00 -2.29
D:Truman 1952 74.30

Here's the same data, tightened up, with the three-decades old data discarded, and sorted from best-to-worst:

Change in the National Debt, as a yearly percentage of GDP.
Sorted Best-to-Worst.

D:Clinton -0.76 (reduced the debt)
D:Carter -0.70 (reduced the debt)
R:Ford 0.20 (no change)
R:Bush II 0.90 (increased the debt)
R:Reagan 2.31 (increased the debt)
R:Bush I 3.05 (increased the debt)

Analysis

Notice that fifty years ago, the debt was huge: that's because WWII was very expensive. Afterward, both parties wisely cooperated to pay down the huge war debt. Ford was the first president to break with that tradition. From that point forward, every Republican worked hard to push us deeper into debt, every Democrat worked hard to get us out of debt.

The change in the Republican party that started with Ford is visible in most of the other statistics as well. Check them out.

Methodology

Here's how I compiled this table: I went to the OMB and got the table that shows total government debt for each year starting in 1940. For each president, I wrote down the last year he was in office, and therefore, the last year he had control over the budget. I also wrote down the total debt in that year, as a percent of GDP (I do not know if that was the debt at the start, middle, or end of the year: it doesn't make much difference, since most presidents were in office much longer than that.) I then compared each president's debt level as a percentage of GDP to the level of the president before, calculated the difference, and divided by the number of years in office.
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"How George Bush, Big Spender, Destroyed Nirvana": Kevin Hassett

Commentary by Kevin Hassett
American Enterprise Institute

bloomberg.com
Message 24302947
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Legacy of Deficits Will Constrain Bush's Successor

Soaring Costs Threaten to Impose A Harsh Reality

By MICHAEL M. PHILLIPS and JOHN D. MCKINNON
February 1, 2008; Page A3
online.wsj.com
Message 24273140
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Message 25902563



To: Bill who wrote (20162)10/1/2009 12:17:47 PM
From: TideGlider  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 103300
 
83% Say Congress Should Post Bills Online For All To Read Before Voting On Them
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Eighty-three percent (83%) of U.S. voters say legislation should be posted online in final form and available for everyone to read before Congress votes on it. The only exception would be for extreme emergencies.

A new Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey finds only six percent (6%) of voters disagree with this approach while 10% are not sure.

Of those who favor posting congressional bills in their final form on the Internet, 64% say they should be available to the public two weeks or more before Congress votes and 29% favor posting bills one week before a vote. Just four percent (4%) think three days before a congressional vote is soon enough, while one percent (1%) say one day is enough.

Among voters, there is no partisan disagreement on the issue. Eighty-five percent (85%) of Republicans, 76% of Democrats and 92% of voters not affiliated with either party favor posting non-emergency bills online for the public to read before they are voted on by Congress.

Support for posting legislation online is high across all demographic groups.

(Want a free daily e-mail update? If it's in the news, it's in our polls). Rasmussen Reports updates are also available on Twitter or Facebook.

Right now, Republicans in the House are trying to force a vote on a measure that would require that pending bills be posted online for three days before that chamber votes on them. A few Democrats have joined the effort, but, according to news reports, their party leaders are fighting the bill which they view as a GOP delaying tactic. There is certainly room for cynicism about the GOP’s allegiance to this particular reform at this time. Members of both parties often raise procedural issues when it works to their advantage and oppose them when it doesn’t. However, the poll question did not mention the health care legislation but applied to all legislation. The results suggest that an overwhelming majority of voters consider such procedures as little more than common sense.

A majority of all Republicans, Democrats, and unaffiliated voters all support posting the legislation in final form at least two weeks in advance of any vote.

Eighty-eight percent (88%) of voters say they are following news stories about the health care debate, with 59% following very closely. Only two percent (2%) say they are not following news about the debate at all.

Just 41% of voters nationwide now favor the health care reform plan, the lowest level of support yet measured. Fifty-six percent (56%) are opposed to the plan.

Republicans have been complaining all year that the Democratic majority leadership are rushing lengthy, complicated legislation like the $787-billion economic stimulus bill through the House and Senate without giving legislators adequate time to even read them.

Before the stimulus vote, 58% said most members of Congress would not understand what is in the plan before they voted on it. And even a prominent Democratic senator complained that that would happen, given the way their party leadership rushed the plan through Congress.

“Increasing transparency was also one of President Obama’s major goals,” the New York Times reports. “When he took office he pledged to make bills passed by Congress publicly available for at least five days before signing them, though that has rarely happened in his eight-month tenure.”

Only 16% of voters now give Congress good or excellent ratings for its performance, while 53% say it’s doing a poor job.

Being a member of Congress is now viewed as the least respected job one can hold in America out of a list of nine professions.