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To: SGJ who wrote (223397)	10/3/2009 10:28:20 AM
From: Bank Holding Company	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 306849

WHAT THE *#$@%#$#$ is going on here???

To: SGJ who wrote (223397)	10/3/2009 11:20:34 AM
From: Skeeter Bug	Respond to of 306849

way OT: <edit>already posted, but saw rubber get upset about off topic nature of post. feel free to PM me or point to a more relevant thread if you want to continue the conversation.</edit> >>Death is total lack of awareness of the Spirit within you while on this plane. The Spirit is the living Christ. Life means living in that Spirit. It is the awareness, acknowledgment and openess (i.e. meekness)to allow the Spirit to manifest in this plane. This Life is good. It has nothing to do with being dead or alive physically.<< that's the typical teaching, but you don't cite the bible because that teaching isn't there. no scripture says anything remotely close to "death is life apart from god." if anything remotely resembling your tradition were there, you'd think someone was nuts for "interpreting" it differently than what it plainly says. and the only one who contradicted god's assertion that we die and turn into dust was satan. >>No, not in Christianity anyway. The reason for existing is to have faith, love God and allow the Christ or Spirit to outpicture in all things. Living this way leads to your conclusion. Doing it or controlling it (acts of man) without this faith fail. (i.e. socialism)<< i agree with your explanation, but i think that's consistent with my belief system, too. i make a distinction that you may have never considered. the reason god / jesus has any value isn't because he's older than us, it isn't because he's bigger than us, it isn't because he's smarter than us or mmore powerful or because he's spirit. it is because he is the essence of goodness and cares for others equal to himself. that's why god has value. in short, it isn't god's position that has value, per se, it is the goodness of his character. do we need god to over look our badness and to help us achieve goodness - absolutely 100% true. but if god turned bad - he loses all value b/c it isn't intrinsic to being. his value isn't in what he is, but who he is. the value is intrinsic to his "caring for others equal to himself." i think we would agree that god can't be separated from his goodness, so this is merely an intellectual exercise, but i think it is an important distinction. in other words, god would not be worthy of worship if he stopped caring for others equal to himself, all else being equal. fortunately, that will never happen. lucifer was god's "right hand man." his authority wasn't intrinsic to him, it was his character (at the time) that gave him value. once his character changed away from all that is good, lucifer became satan and became worse than nothing. our purpose isn't to worship and egotistical, self centered god. our purpose is to treat others equal to ourselves - and we need god to help us do that. for our own good, of course. >>Just two examples, but most of your other interpretations are too literal as well. That said, you are more on the right track than most.<< those are simple statements that require no interpretation unless you reject what they teach in order to conform to your tradition. they are also consistent with the rest of the bible - death compared to sleep, resurrections make no sense without death, ezekiel 37 makes no sense unless ancient israel was actually dead, we return to dust, etc...