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Politics : Should God be replaced? -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?


To: Greg or e who wrote (27464)10/6/2009 11:53:04 AM
From: koan  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 28931
 
Probably not. But it was education that pulled us out of the dark ages and it has been education that has allowed for civilzation, democracy etc. So educstion is the ONLY hope, but I feel the human speiecs will not make it through this century without a major nuclear war. Peopel cannot seem to shake of primitive dogma learned at home.

We are just operating intellectually in to unsophisticated a manner.

E.g. take someone like glenn Beck or Palin. They makes no sense at all yet many people love them---for emotional reasons. Peopel see them as standing up for their life style, but their facts and logic are just pure nonsense.

It is important to recognize nonsense but most cannot do it?

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Sorry for taking so long to respond. I had a chance to go fly fishing in the Rockies and I just got back.

"The human species, by nature, is an irrational species."

"The ONLY chance we have to survive as a species is massive education."

Do you really expect to successfully use reason to change people who are by nature, irrational? I would attempt (using reason) to explain to you why this would be fruitless, but that would be, (granting your first premise) well... fruitless.



To: Greg or e who wrote (27464)10/6/2009 12:31:25 PM
From: koan  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 28931
 
Look, I don't think we are able to adapt away from dogma and to facts quickly enough. Half the people just do not know how to do it and the other half do not care and some are just not very educatable. So I do not think our species will survive.

But to answer your question directly. Even if we are irrational by nature, we have learned science is not irrational, so if we learn to use science and logic we can mitigate our irrationality by testing our irrational ideas against objective experimentation; and then changing oru behavior and ideas.

So a person trying to be rational will replace their old ideas which do not have the support of science with ideas which do.

E.g. science knows we got here by evolution. We know that, yet half our population does not even beleive in evolution and just ignore the facts. So therein lies our problem.

Science knows children raised gently with lots of love and education do better than kids raised with ignorance and the belt.

But I''ll bet someone even here will challenge that-lol.



>>Sorry for taking so long to respond. I had a chance to go fly fishing in the Rockies and I just got back.

"The human species, by nature, is an irrational species."

"The ONLY chance we have to survive as a species is massive education."

Do you really expect to successfully use reason to change people who are by nature, irrational? I would attempt (using reason) to explain to you why this would be fruitless, but that would be, (granting your first premise) well... fruitless.



To: Greg or e who wrote (27464)10/6/2009 12:34:19 PM
From: koan2 Recommendations  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 28931
 
PS, Palin and Beck are both venal, stupid and dangerous to our society. Yet I sense my saying that upsets you and you want to defend them.

How do I know that. Two ways, I know their facts are wrong and I know their logic is wrong. period.