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To: Alighieri who wrote (518692)	10/6/2009 6:42:22 PM
From: Brumar89	Respond to of 1585202

Are our children more likely to die young? I think this is another liberal lie.

To: Alighieri who wrote (518692)	10/6/2009 7:36:49 PM
From: i-node	2 Recommendations Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 1585202

Why don't you show us some "cause and effect" there inode...show tench how we spend more and our health care is so much better that we live less, our children are more likely to die young and millions of our citizens are without health care You list the following as premises for your question -- a) we spend more and our health care is so much better that we live less b) our children are more likely to die young c) millions of our citizens are without health care These all have major flaws and as such, do not form the basis of any reasonable question. I will, however, address the flaws in your question and if you can come back with a question that has a valid premise I'll try to answer it: a. Life Expectancy Life expectancy is not a function solely, or even largely, of the quality of health care. Life expectancy is determined by large numbers of exogenous factors. The WHO, in its bogus study, did use "DALE" (Disability-Adjusted-Life-Expectancy) which has some merit. Ranked by DALE, the US was listed at 24th with a DALE of 70.0 versus 73.2 (at #1) for Japan. Okay, so why is the US ranked so poorly? WHO addressed this: * In the United States, some groups, such as Native Americans, rural African Americans and the inner city poor, have extremely poor health, more characteristic of a poor developing country rather than a rich industrialized one. * The HIV epidemic causes a higher proportion of death and disability to U.S. young and middle-aged than in most other advanced countries. HIV-AIDS cut three months from the healthy life expectancy of male American babies born in 1999, and one month from female lives (I would point out that the USA, under GWB, has done more to stop AIDS than any country on earth).; * The U.S. is one of the leading countries for cancers relating to tobacco, especially lung cancer Tobacco use also causes chronic lung disease. * A high coronary heart disease rate, which has dropped in recent years but remains high; * Fairly high levels of violence, especially of homicides, when compared to other industrial countries. As you can see, NONE of these is related to the American health care system, rather, they are all exogenous to health care that has more to do with American lifestyles than anything else. who.int b. Infant Mortality This has been addressed ad nauseum. The US infant mortality rate is 6.3, higher than that in 28 countries. But the cause, once again, is not suggestive of a failure of the health care system, but in fact, is proof of an absolutely superior one. In the United States, the principal cause of infant mortality is pre-term birth. Part of this could be related to non-health care factors such as drug abuse. But the reality is that babies are considered live births in the U.S. at terms which would result in stillbirths (and thus not counted) in other nations. These babies are saved because of America's vastly superior capabilities (my now-30-year-old niece being an example, born at under 2lbs). So, the simple truth is that you're going to have higher infant mortality when you ATTEMPT to save harder cases. So you don't accuse me of making it up, take the CBO's word for it -- "... comparisons of infant mortality rates are complicated by differences in medical practices and reporting requirements. These problems have raised questions about the validity of ranking infant mortality rates on an international scale." c. Millions Without Health Care This, of course, has been previously debunked. While there are some 15 million who don't have health insurance, they DO have "health care". And that care is better than can be had in any other nation in the world. Only a week or two ago I gave the example of Parkland Hospital in Dallas where indigents, illegals, or anyone else can walk in the door broke and will receive some of the best health care available anywhere in this nation. No questions asked about money, insurance, finance, anything else. I provided a link at that time to Parkland's website which explicitly stated these facts. Hospitals similar to Parkland are available in every major city in the country, and in many, if not most smaller cities of 25,000 or more. In Parkland's case, they accept patients from other counties, same way. ...go ahead inode...kick my ass again you f...g comedian. Consider your ass kicked, you stupid nitwit liberal.