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To: Rarebird who wrote (4740)10/12/2009 7:06:20 PM
From: Archie Meeties  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 26251
 
Unique perspective: A gold rally in dollars is just a bear market rally.

I've wondered for a while if the rally in the osx is sustainable. If oil is going up because of dollar weakness, it's unlikely that this will translate into higher exploration budgets in real dollar terms.



To: Rarebird who wrote (4740)10/12/2009 7:33:10 PM
From: Larry S.  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 26251
 
I have been following your technical analysis and find it very interesting and remarkably accurate. Your call on gold is particularly important to me. Barron's Online, this evening, has an article by Mark Hulbert, see below, that presents another view of what may be essentially the same foundation as your call. I would be very interested in your view of Hulbert's view.

Larry

"Climbing the Golden Wall of Worry
By MARK HULBERT
As gold trades at record highs, investor sentiment remains cautious. And that bodes well for continued price increases.

THE FIFTH TIME IS proving to be the charm for gold.

On four previous occasions over the last two years, gold rose to the $1,000 per ounce level. And on each of those occasions, it failed to keep going.

But, in recent sessions, gold has succeeded in decisively breaking the $1,000 barrier, rising to nearly $1,050.

Why did gold succeed this time, after failing before?

No doubt there are many factors. But a big one is sentiment: Unlike those previous four attempts, the recent one was met by abnormally high levels of skepticism which, as contrarian analysis tells us, is bullish.

As contrarians might say, today's gold market, unlike previous ones at gold at the $1,000 level, is characterized by a strong wall of worry -- the kind that bull markets famously like to climb.

Consider the Hulbert Gold Newsletter Sentiment Index (HGNSI), which reflects the average recommended gold market exposure among a subset of short-term gold timing newsletters tracked by the Hulbert Financial Digest. The HGNSI currently stands at a very modest 32.2%, despite gold bullion trading at a new all-time record high.

To put this current level in context, consider that, over the three decades the Hulbert Financial Digest has been tracking newsletters, the highest the HGNSI ever rose to was 90%, or nearly three times higher than where it stands now.

For another perspective, consider where this sentiment index stood in early June, the last time I devoted a column for Barrons.com to analyzing gold market sentiment (see Hulbert on Markets, "Bullish Expectations Don't Bode Well for Gold," June 3, 2009). That was the last of the previous four occasions in which gold was knocking on the door of the thousand dollar level. The HGNSI then stood at 56.8%, or nearly twice as high as where this sentiment index stands today, even though gold is a lot higher now than then.

I concluded that early-June column by writing, "it appears as though the sentiment winds in coming weeks will not be blowing in the direction of a much higher gold price." Just as contrarians expected, gold did retreat over the subsequent month and a half, falling to around $900 an ounce by mid-July.

Gold's sentiment picture began to change in August, however. In the wake of a very modest correction that month of around just 3%, for example, gold timers ran for the exits -- sending the HGNSI down to just 4% by the end of August, which signified that the average gold timer was almost completely in cash. That quick retreat in the face of a tiny pullback suggested that a strong wall of worry was being built.

That wall was still alive and well in September. After briefly rising above the $1,000 level in the middle of that month, gold dipped slightly below that level -- though falling only to around $990. Again, though, gold timers were quick to declare that the rally was over, bringing the HGNSI down to the 18% level by the end of the month.

The HGNSI is higher now than 18%, but not by a lot. If a month ago I had been asked to speculate where the HGNSI would be if gold decisively penetrated $1,000 and got as high as $1,050, I would have predicted a much higher level.

If gold continues to follow a contrarian script, we will get a clue as to gold's short-term direction by paying close attention to sentiment trends. If, in the wake of any gold weakness, gold timers once again rush to the exits, just as they did in August and September, it would suggest that the wall of worry remains as strong as ever -- and suggest that the sentiment winds continue to blow in the direction of higher prices.

If, in contrast, gold timers quickly turn bullish in coming sessions, and then stubbornly hold on to that bullishness in the face of any weakness, then we will know that gold's wall of worry has crumbled. That will be the contrarian sign to short-term traders to begin taking some money off the table.

Fortunately, applying contrarian analysis in this way does not require us to predict which of these scenarios will play out, or when. Instead, all we need to do is watch carefully and see what happens.

In the meantime, however, gold's sentiment foundation suggests that higher prices are in store.



To: Rarebird who wrote (4740)10/13/2009 10:32:17 AM
From: Real Man  Respond to of 26251
 
Gold is due for a mild pullback into
mid-November, perhaps, to re-test the break of 1K. I am not
counting on it though. The chart is pretty bullish, long term
target for gold is 1300, based on a break of neckline (1K) of
inverted H&S pattern. Gold COT looks quite overextended,
but it is unclear to me how much of that, if any, is due
to GLD. Gold did break 2008 high, while the dollar did not
break 2008 low, which indicates it is stronger than just
the fall of the currency.

Gold leads the currency market, so the fact that it hit
new highs indicates the dollar will likely hit a new all
time low by January 2010. I would be careful predicting
gold dump - the fundamentals are extreme. Gold belongs at 3K,
given what the Fed is doing and has done already. How much
they printed.

The point on gold stocks lagging is well taken. However,
gold stocks are risky, these are companies, affected, like
every other company, by debt, the credit crisis,
derivatives, management, currency and other issues.
It's a difficult business.

Gold investors mostly buy it for safety reasons, so they may
shun stocks or consider them speculation. I certainly do.
Gold doubled between 2005 and 2008, while gold stocks lagged.
This was, perhaps, because mining companies' profits were
negatively affected by oil, which soared a lot more than gold.



To: Rarebird who wrote (4740)10/13/2009 10:54:29 AM
From: Real Man  Respond to of 26251
 
The fundamentals for USA, it's credit rating and the dollar
are simply horrible. An enormous budget gap of over 40% is
projected way into the future, and the only way the government
can cover that is by printing dollars. In many countries poor
fundamentals like that led to hyperinflation. If so, gold
usually leads other commodities much higher, since it can
be easily stored.

Therefore, it is not at all surprising that
investors choose to abandon US dollar and flock into the currency
of last resort, a currency that can't be printed, gold.

The technicals for gold look pretty good as well - it just broke
out over long term neckline of inverted H&S pattern, with
a target of $1300.

While the period between mid-October and mid-November is often
corrective for gold, after a strong September run, I am
not even hedging or selling. I don't hold any leveraged
positions, though, because I do expect a mild pullback.
I will be a buyer if it drops.