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Politics : The Environmentalist Thread -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: FJB who wrote (25472)	10/14/2009 5:14:52 PM
From: Maurice Winn	1 Recommendation Respond to of 36921

Robert, I have pondered Malthusian and Club of Rome ideology for decades. It's simplistic thinking. I have seen swarms of Indians and hordes of Chinese up close and personal and there didn't seem to be too many of them. <Use limited resources, unlimted wants, extreme population growth and pollution as your variables. > Quite right - boundary conditions are what matter. Of course 1000 quadrillion people would make things a bit too crowded [but I admit I haven't worked that out on a per square metre basis]. But extreme population growth isn't what we are faced with. After decades of pondering, I came up with Peak People happening in 2037 [catastrophes excluded which could bring that forward]. While people were still moaning about the terrible Malthusian human population bomb, I had decided they were wrong and population implosion was a sure bet. Now, people have started to understand that people do not in fact just go on reproducing like rabbits. The invention of low cost convenient contraception has made a big difference to the world. Japan, Germany, Russia, China, Italy are all big countries with population reductions already a certainty. We don't even need to guess now. Japan is on the way down. Others will follow. Resources, pollution and "unlimited wants" are not particularly difficult problems either. People don't have "unlimited wants". They have wants they can afford. Some vote for government departments to rob others to provide them the wants they can't afford themselves but that's a fool's game which reduce what they get, not increase it [in the long run]. Pollution control is simple. Resources are available at current prices more or less for any amount. I have done enough population pondering, years ago, and have moved onto other pondering. No worries Robert, it's all doable. The more the merrier. Mqurice