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To: Jane Hafker who wrote (9197)	10/31/1997 2:22:00 AM
From: Ronald P. Margraf Sr.	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 39621

Hi Jane, I too am not a biblical scholar but it doesn't take a biblical scholar to understand the Bible. Fist of all I don't beleive anyone can pick up the Bible and understand it without first praying and asking God to give them understanding of what it is that they have read. You have to ask God to give you the ability to understand what it is that you are about to read before you can read it and understand it. Most folks do it in reverse. In fact they don't even ask to be given the insight. They just read it and draw a conclusion. Then go out and move armies and slaughter folks, kill their childern, or whatever turns them on and us the name of GOD to do it. One must first ask God through Jesus to open their mind. Be receptive. The word will then interpret what it is that they are reading. Next come the visions. Without them you can not understand what it is that you have read. Preception and understanding only come from and open and receptive mind. That comes from sincerity and the proper way of asking for Gods guidence. That comes from proper and instructive prayer. You can get out there and say all you want that you are in the body of Jesus or God or what not. But if you are not connected it will crumble when someone challenges your structure. I still put my money on creation first and the full understanding of it before I put the rest of my money on the J thing. After you have done that then the J thing becomes so strong that even the devil can't sway you. Peace, Ron PS. I can give examples of visions and what not. They do happen. They are real. I know, I have seen them and have talked the walk, or should I say I have walked the talk. PSS I am here by accident not by purpose. Some would like to think I'm here because God has directed me but I'm still not convinced that my presence will benifit anyone if not hinder some folks. All I can say is that don't beleive me but check out what I say. It is all in the big book.

To: Jane Hafker who wrote (9197)	10/31/1997 2:37:00 AM
From: Barnabus	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 39621

Good post Jane. One point for us to ponder is when you said in effect that Jesus looked more wondrous than any human we have ever seen look. Of course, as far as humility, and on the mount of transfiguration when he was glorified---that would have been "out of this world---however, in Isa. we read that actually, Jesus was probably a (excuse the expression) plain Jane (oops, wrong gender)---in other worlds (kjv) uncomely---not good looking. A handsome Jesus---that artists portray today is off base---some of the earlier paintings where Jesus looks 'kinda ugly are probably more correct. Jesus' appeal was not based upon his physique, but his humility/wisdom/love/authenticity/authority/leadership qualities, etc. Just a side note and perhaps off the point of what you were saying, but the "looks" of Jesus has been miscalculated. Some have even painted him as a little fat man---he was called a glutton and winebibber---I'm not sure of that however---certainly not after his 40 day fast! However, in the spiritual sense---Jesus is attractive! Amen and amen to that. J.

To: Jane Hafker who wrote (9197)	11/2/1997 12:39:00 AM
From: Ronald P. Margraf Sr.	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 39621

Evening Jane, Let me respond to the first part of your post. As I re-read it and I beleive I responded in a general manner, let me define my response from the first one. True I am not a biblical scholar but I am a spec. reader. I look at the BIBLE AS A SPEC.. I am not familiar with this Stongs Texts you and several others refer to. I am not disputing the philosophycal or the idilogical aspects of Christianity. Only the technical aspects. Appearently folks here think I am challenging the releigous aspects. I am here to exchange the technical side of it. Not the religious side. Interpretations. I want some one or others to tell me that Jesus is God & God is Jesus and prove it to me in the Bible. Thats all. I want some one to tell/show me that the world was created in 6 human days and not 6 God days. I want someone to tell/show me that there is only God and no-one else in the universe. Thats all. I can give you references to the contrary. Ron