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To: Road Walker who wrote (521192)	10/16/2009 1:47:36 PM
From: TimF	2 Recommendations Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1577917

No they are differences of opinion between you and Rush. Or in some cases where it is a matter of fact you are wrong. The administration did say they where going to "create or save jobs", that's not perfectly synonymous with "add jobs", but its close enough to make it rather unreasonable to call the statement a lie. As for Obama actually saving 23 million jobs, that's nonsense. Its something that can be measured, and if it somehow could its very unlikely that his actions did anything remotely resembling saving 23 million jobs. They may have cost jobs. OTOH your comment isn't a lie either, its just your opinion. You really believe it (at least I think you do, and if you don't I can't and wouldn't try to prove otherwise), so it makes no sense calling your statement a lie. "Everybody knows what this was about: Corruption and patronage on a grander scale than ever before." Is an opinion, if Rush believes it, its not a lie even if it is false, and you haven't even shown it to be false. "And I’ll tell you another reason he decided to go, not just because Daley sent him but Obama needed to distract everybody’s attention from his massive failures at home and abroad. " - Same as above. Opinion "Health care is an absolute disaster in Congress." - Clearly opinion, also one I share. "The stimulus bill is not working." - Same as above, opinion, and one I agree with in general terms. "There is not approval for the president in growing numbers. ", does not equal "no one approves of the president", or even "the country generally approves of the president". It clearly means that the president's approval is not growing. Which except for short blips has been correct. Rush's phrasing is clumsy here, but clumsy phrasing doesn't imply "false statement", let alone "lie". "Our economy is crumbling right before our eyes" Opinion. Not one that I really share, but its unreasonable to call it a lie. "our military is being undermined by Obama playing politics with health care" Again, obviously an opinion. Hard to tell exactly what he's getting at here, but since its unclear it would be hard to say that its false (or that its true). This isn't the type of statement that's reasonably called a lie. "Obama has been rejected by the American people in the polls here at home." Partially opinion, and partially different meanings for "rejected". With a broad use of "rejected" and/or a narrow reading of what he's been rejected for or about its true. OTOH in other ways its not. A statement you could reasonably dispute, but not a lie. " ‘Cause this was a stupid plan. I don’t care what Mayor Daley has on you." - " (Clearly implying Obama was blackmailed; where is the evidence to back up this lie?)" Not clearly implying anything of the sort. Clearly implying that Obama is trying to help out Daley, in a way that Rush sees as foolish. Many times when someone wonders "what X has on Y", its not literally stating any sort of belief in blackmail but rather that Y is acting as if, or almost as if he was being blackmailed. Not being highly literally here is not that unusual, and not a lie.