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To: Alighieri who wrote (521233)	10/16/2009 2:46:07 PM
From: TimF	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1578270

If he "doesn't know they are false" then they aren't lies even if they are false. But that's only part of the point. Some of them aren't false (and certainly not ridiculous, which would go beyond just false, as a lot of statements that turn out to not be correct, where not ridiculous), and in other cases its not clear, either being a pure difference of opinion and not a matter of concrete fact at all, or being a different opinion about the facts (which may or may not be shown to be true or false in the future, but which isn't settled now). In other words his statements are a mix of true factual statements, statements that are matters of political, philosophical or other types of opinion that don't readily translate to simple concrete true of false facts, statements of opinion about facts about which the truth is unclear or not yet known, at least some false factual statements (which is pretty much inevitable if your making statements as often as he does) which he probably believes to be true. And maybe some lies. My point is not that he does not lie (few people flat out never lie, and even in terms of important public statements I wouldn't be shocked to find out that one or more of his where a lie), but that the "liar" accusation was not substantiated. The specific claimed lies in the post by RW where either true statements, or matters of opinion, or statements which might not be true but which don't appear to be lies. In general terms, I think "lie" or "liar", is thrown around far too easily. Too many people look at any disagreement as indicating lies. That's unreasonable.

To: Alighieri who wrote (521233)	10/16/2009 2:49:23 PM
From: longnshort	Respond to of 1578270

White House criticism of Fox increasing ratings: Murdoch Oct 16 12:51 PM US/Eastern News Corp. chairman Rupert Murdoch said on Friday that White House criticism of commentators on his Fox News television channel had served to "tremendously" increase their ratings. "There were some strong remarks coming out of the White House about one or two of the commentators on Fox News," Murdoch told the annual meeting of News Corp. shareholders here. "And all I can tell you is that it's tremendously increased their ratings," he said. Murdoch's remarks came after White House Communications Director Anita Dunn told The New York Times earlier this week that Fox News was "undertaking a war against Barack Obama and the White House." Murdoch also restated his plans to begin charging readers of News Corp. newspapers on the Web. Currently, only the Murdoch-owned Wall Street Journal charges subscribers online. "We intend to charge for our content on the Web," Murdoch said. "As I've said many times in the past good journalism comes at a price. "In the future successful newspapers will charge for their content and aggregators will largely be excluded," he said. The News Corp. chairman was also asked about the attitude of the Obama administration towards business. "We're worried about the business climate and whether it will discourage the formation of new companies," he said. "There is a public perception, certainly, that this government is anti-business," he said. "I'm not saying it's a correct perception but there is a perception and I think this perception is hurting the economy. "We think the outlook for the economy is probably pretty steady," he added. "My own view... is that we're not going to get another vast steep decline but nor are we going to get any steep increase."