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To: Jorj X Mckie who wrote (19666)	10/20/2009 3:52:14 PM
From: SARMAN	4 Recommendations Respond to of 50179

Here's the important part, we are talking about 8000 square miles. You can make the argument that the Palestinians have a gripe against the israelis, but you can't make a valid argument that all Arabs have a gripe. And having been to the most populous muslim state, which happens to be non-arab and seen the anti-jew sentiment there (indonesia) as well as Malaysia, I would argue that the 1.6 billion is closer to the right number of muslims who have a problem with jews. And where Israel gets along with Turkey, Jordan and Egypt, I think it is a stretch to call them "friends". Here is clear point how Zionists exploits the Holocaust. No Muslims have no beef with the Jews, they main beef is with the Israelis and the Zionists. Unless you are telling us that all Jews of the world are Zionists and Israelis, your argument does not holds water. Try again. The Palestinians have repeatedly said they want to drive the israelis into the sea. Of course they should, and more power to them. The Israelis came from Europe under false pretenses to occupy the Palestinians' land. And Israel has given land back to the Palestinians only to be attacked in return. What? Gaza? or should I say Auschwitz? Since Iran has expressed a desire to eliminate the existence of Israel, Just Iran? And why does Iran care about Israel? Why do they sponsor Hamas? Iran doesn't share a border with Israel, they don't even have the ancestral Arabic connection. Why does Iran care, let alone want to eliminate, Israel? ROFLOL, really why would anyone care about the blood thirsty Israelis. The oppressors, the land grabbers, why would anyone care? The same way that no one cared about what Hitler was doing to the Jews in Germany. If Israelis were not scrutinized, they would have committed a bigger Holocaust. Yes, I knew that! and...as the land was stolen from them. So now you know that European Jews did not care if you were a Jew or not, they were on a land grab mission. You seem to think that the tail wags the dog. The US acts in its own interests. ROFLOL, of course, AIPAC and the Zionists have a tight grip on the US administration that US only acts on Israel's interests. LOL....I can think of a couple of responses to this, but I think an LOL is sufficient. I doubt that you had a response. Have you read the links? or is it obvious to you the roll of the Zionist in the Holocaust.

To: Jorj X Mckie who wrote (19666)	10/20/2009 4:02:54 PM
From: SARMAN	2 Recommendations Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 50179

Goldstone* rejects Israel protests UN human rights investigator Richard Goldstone has rejected Israel's claim that the peace process would be harmed by his report on the offensive in Gaza. Judge Goldstone said there was no peace process at present and Israel's foreign minister did not want there to be one. The Goldstone report, which has been endorsed by the UN Human Rights Council, accuses both Israel and Hamas militants of committing war crimes. Mr Goldstone's remarks came in a conference call with American rabbis. "It's a shallow, utterly false allegation," Mr Goldstone said of Israel's attempt to brand his report as an obstacle to peace. "What peace process are they talking about? There isn't one. The Israeli foreign minister doesn't want one," Mr Goldstone said. "If the Israeli government set up an appropriate, open investigation, it will really be the end of the matter. That's where the report would end as far as Israel is concerned," he added. He was speaking days after Foreign Minister Avigdor Lieberman spoke of his belief that the Arab-Israeli conflict would not be resolved in the coming years, and people should "learn to live with it". Palestinians and human rights groups say more than 1,400 Gazans were killed in the 22-day conflict that ended in January, but Israel puts the figure at 1,166. Thirteen Israelis, including three civilians, were killed. In the report, Mr Goldstone calls for the war crimes allegations to be referred to the International Criminal Court at The Hague unless the parties to the Gaza war investigate them. If the report comes before the UN Security Council, the US is expected to veto any call for ICC action against Israel. Favourable On Tuesday, Israel's Security Cabinet hardened the country's rejection of an independent inquiry. Earlier reports said discussion about setting up an inquiry had been on the agenda of the meeting, which brings together seven ministers with security responsibilities. However, an official said it was blocked by Defence Minister Ehud Barak, an architect of Israel's winter onslaught, supported by Benjamin Netanyahu, who was elected prime minister in March. Both men have called the UN report one-sided and said it undermined Israel's right to defend itself. They argue internal investigations by the Israeli military are already dealing with a small number of violations. "Our struggle is to delegitimize the continuing attempt to delegitimize the state of Israel. The most important sphere we need to work in is the sphere of public opinion in the democratic world," Mr Netanyahu was quoted telling the cabinet. Foreign and justice ministry officials are reported to favour setting up an investigation in the hope of defusing an international row which is widely seen to have done damage to Israel's reputation. Instead, ministers agreed on the establishment a legal-diplomatic panel to handle any possible war crimes prosecutions against Israel or its citizens. Separately, Palestinian Authority President and Fatah party leader Mahmoud Abbas has been holding talks in Cairo with Egypt's President Hosni Mubarak. It is the latest in a long-running process attempting to reach a reconciliation deal between Fatah and the other main Palestinian faction, Hamas. Aides of Mr Abbas have accused Hamas, which runs Gaza, of shirking a commitment to sign the Egyptian-mediated agreement after Fatah signed it. Hamas says it will sign the document as long as there are no clauses added that have not been agreed. It said its previous request for a postponement was to give it time to study new Egyptian proposals, and to comment on the Goldstone report. Story from BBC NEWS: news.bbc.co.uk *Self-hating Jew, how dare he expose Israel to Israel is really is.

To: Jorj X Mckie who wrote (19666)	10/20/2009 9:36:33 PM
From: Broken_Clock	6 Recommendations Respond to of 50179

Oct 7, 2009 22:47 \| Updated Oct 8, 2009 9:25 Rattling the Cage: Our exclusive right to self-defense By LARRY DERFNER jpost.com Virtually all of Israel is now speaking in one voice against the Goldstone report, against any attempt to blame us over the war in Gaza. We've honed our message to a sharp point and, inspired by Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu's performance at the UN, we're delivering it with just the right tone of outrage: How dare anyone deny us the right to self-defense! How dare anyone deny us the right to fight back against terrorism! Very nice. Puts everyone else on the defensive. The right to self-defense is up there with motherhood and apple pie - who's going to come out against it, especially for us, for Israel, for the Jews, for the people of the Holocaust? The right to self-defense - perfect. But I'd like to ask: Do the Palestinians also have the right to self-defense? We probably wouldn't admit it out loud, but in our heads we would say - again, in one voice - "No!" This is the Israeli notion of a fair deal: We're entitled to do whatever the hell we want to the Palestinians because, by definition, whatever we do to them is self-defense. They, however, are not entitled to lift a finger against us because, by definition, whatever they do to us is terrorism. That's the way it's always been, that's the way it was in Operation Cast Lead. AND THERE are no limits on our right to self-defense. There is no such thing as "disproportionate." We can blockade Gaza, we can answer Kassams with F-16s and Apaches, we can take 100 eyes for an eye. We can deliberately destroy thousands of Gazan homes, the Gazan parliament, the Ministry of Justice, the Ministry of Interior, courthouses, the only Gazan flour plant, the main poultry farm, a sewage treatment plant, water wells and God knows what else. Deliberately. After all, we're acting in self-defense. By definition. And what right do the Palestinians have to defend themselves against this? None. Why? Because we're better than them. Because we're a democracy and they're a bunch of Islamo-fascists. Because ours is a culture of life and theirs is a culture of death. Because they're out to destroy us and all we are saying is give peace a chance. One look at the ruins of Gaza ought to make that plain enough. Here is our idea of the "laws of war": When Israeli bulldozers rolled across the border into Gazan villages and flattened house after house so Hamas wouldn't have them for cover after the IDF pulled out, that was self-defense. But if a Palestinian boy who'd lived in one of those houses threw a stone at one of the bulldozers, that was terrorism. The Goldstones of the world call this hypocrisy, a double standard. How dare they! Around here, we call it moral clarity.

To: Jorj X Mckie who wrote (19666)	10/21/2009 7:51:07 AM
From: SARMAN	4 Recommendations Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 50179

Since Iran has expressed a desire to eliminate the existence of Israel, That statement is true. However, I thank you for making the distinction between Israel and Jews. Even the True Torah Jews want the elimination of Israel. They believe, it is against G-d wishes for a true Jews to have their own country. Here is an excerpt: The purpose of the Jew is to bear witness to the existence of G-d, through his adherence to the Torah. The Al-mighty granted the Jews the land of Israel as the particular setting which would serve as the most conducive atmosphere to their performance of their duties to G-d. The Jews in ancient times were banished from the land of Israel because they had failed to fulfill their obligations to the Al-mighty. Every Jew acknowledges this in his prayers (Umipnei Chatoeinu Golinu Meiartzeinu). They accepted the penalty of exile and were at that time expressed sworn by the Al-mighty not to accelerate their redemption on their own, and especially not to rebel against the nations under whose rule they were found. To the contrary, every Jew is commanded to pray for the peace and well being of the government of which he is the subject. Through all the years of exile, pious Jews as individuals were attracted to reside in the Holy Land because of its innate holy character and the opportunity it offered for the observance of various precepts bound in the land. Jews as a whole continue to pray that the Al-mighty return his Divine presence to the Land of Israel, by the coming of the Messiah, who will build His Temple, from whence will emanate Divine Wisdom and ultimate spiritual fulfillment of the entire human race. Through the many years that Jews resided in the Holy Land for this purpose, they enjoyed tranquil and cordial relations with the non-Jewish population there. jewsagainstzionism.com Iran and the Arabs had/have no problem with the Jews they have a problem with Israel and Zionism. Since Israel and Zionism hide behind Judaism, Zionists have the tenancy to blur the lines and make it appear like Judaism being attacked. Now tell us if this man has a problem with Jews. I will leave you with these thoughts from Rabbi Michael Dov Weissmandl and Ben Gurion Rabbi Michael Dov Weissmandl ZT"L Dean of Nitra Yeshiva What may befall the Jewish inhabitants of Palestine, of the Arab crescent, Europe, or the USA; is of no concern to these Zionist leaders. The rising anti-Semitism in the Western World is the product of their "statesmanship". Under the guise of "love of Israel", the Zionist "statesmen" seduced many Jews to replace devotion to the Torah and its Sages with devotion to the scoundrel who founded Zionism. It is of no little significance that Herzl originally sought conversion of the Jews as a solution to the problems of the Diaspora. When he realized that this was not acceptable to the Jewish masses, he contrived Zionism as a satisfactory alternative! Ben Gurion On Dec. 25, ’42 in Marucha 4’ 102, Ben Gurion: “The tragedy of millions is also a liberating force for millions. And Zionism – if it be more than lip service – is to cement the great Jewish tragedy into huge liberation pillars.” Instead of talking about rescue, they talk about liberating the state. Concerning the demand for certificates Ben Gurion wrote: “Today, Eretz Yisroel is in need of settlers, not immigrants… Zionism is not a charitable corporation. We are in need of the superior type of Jews who will develop the national home.” (Historian Yigal Ilam, “Ho’oretz” erev Rosh Hashona 5757) Shabtai Tevet (writer of Ben Gurion’s biography) summarizes Ben Gurion’s attitude (Yediot Achronot, Elul 29, 5746): “The Jewish afflictions which worsened before his eyes, were to him, a source of power for Zionism… There was no one like him who understood to utilize this natural treasure that history bestowed upon the Jewish nation so generously – for the benefit of Zionism.”