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Politics : Sharks in the Septic Tank -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: one_less who wrote (81579)	10/22/2009 9:32:05 PM
From: LLCF	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 82486

1.) <From your vantage point it becomes a little more problematic.> Which is a good thing... as the cut and dried version leads to examples I gave about rape and incest. Once the 'cut and dried' version bends to allow exemptions above... then they too have joined the 'problematic camp'... which is where real life normally happens. 2.) Although I agree with the overall thrust of your example of my position, I would disagee with the 'benchmarks' as it can probably be demonstrated a single cell of any part of the body has those attributes... but that is probably beside the point... just pointing it out. <You not only have to define person but you have to determine a legitimate point of personhood where rights are engaged.> YEs.. as Roe v Wade attempted. <Historically we have loads of guidelines. Conception, the third trimester (when ensoulment is believed by some to take place), Exiting the vagina, first breath, some infant milestone, puberty, a particular legal age.> Actually other religious traditions have many varying 'time frames' for when various aspects of the 'soul' or person arrives. <Currently we are going with the first breath according to our legal structure. The only argument I've heard for this is, "hey it may be arbitrary but it's a common and identifiable point in every human beings life."> 1.) It's hardly arbitrary... although I certainly think abortions should be limited late in term (but AGAIN this depends on context... as is always the case)... whatever that really means... it certainly is NOT arbitrary. The baby arrives when it is ready for many reasons... not the least of which is that before that point it is to some extent part of the mother. 2.) Again, once you vary from "life begines at conception" (even though of course eggs and sperms are 'alive'... but that's beside the point), then you must get into the real world where the rubber meets the road. This reminds me of the liberals wanting Government option... which then opens the can of worms: "what WILL the government pay for?" Clearly they cant pay for everything that is available out there... yet there doesn't seem to be the necessary discussion... things like "who DOES get transplants"? Yukky and messy. DAK