To: abuelita who wrote (57472 ) 11/4/2009 4:15:01 PM From: Maurice Winn 2 Recommendations Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 219172 When I was 5, Queen Elizabeth II came to NZ and I have somewhere a medal from then. We went to see her and I recall being on a grassy bank somewhere for her drive by. Charles and Diana came to Tauranga NZ in 1983. Security was less fanatical in those days and I was able to take a photo of them from just over a metre away over the shoulders of a couple they were meeting. It was for a royalist friend. Diana came over and shook hands and had a few words with our son [who was 6 at the time and a cute little chap]. I have been to Trooping the Colour and visited Windsor Castle. So I have enjoyed some of the value and it would be churlish not to recognize that value, as well as the political stability aspects. In earlier decades, because of my antipathy to the damn governments who cause such problems, I was inclined to throw the royalty aspect of statism out with the rest of them. The reprobates in parliament certainly need the Guy Fawkes treatment, speaking of which, today's the day, tonight's the night, remember, remember the 5th of November... but I'm not so sure about royalty. I recall at age 18 drinking cherry brandy and was amused to read that Charles had done the same thing, but he got in trouble for it. It was obvious that being a public figure had some serious drawbacks. It was also interesting that cultural miasma travels the world like a will o the wisp without the participants even being aware they are in thrall to the fashion and trap. So, today, young people [and older who should know better] get tattoos to "express their individuality" which is like "growing my hair long to express my individuality" back in the 1960s. It seemed all very self-expressive but in comparing notes with a friend, who was also an early anti-royalist, he too had the idea that it was not necessary to stand in a movie theatre for God Save the Queen which was played before movies started. I thought it was just my idea in another part of town [I had no idea he even existed]. He got told off by the proprietor who came rushing down the aisle to give him a bollocking for remaining seated. Now, fools gold is beckoning those who wish to show their individuality and independence from the common herd who depend on the fiat financial system, just as sub-prime loans, and prime loans, and houses in general, and commercial property, and financial relativity theory capital gains for an easy lifestyle based on the hard work of hordes of Made in China workers struggling to escape poverty, entrapped millions of indebted spendthrifts who blithely and ignorantly followed a fashion. It's easy to be wrong. Mqurice PS ElM is envious of we Anglos, that's why he's snarky about us with a chip on his shoulder. TJ is more balanced, with a chip on each shoulder, perhaps inherited from his grandfather - it's up to male descendants to keep the feuds alive. He should be appreciative that the British in the 19th century were willing to risk their lives [and many lost them] to keep the flow of opium going to his ancestor's compatriots. Now, we Anglos are STILL risking and losing lives in Afghanistan to ensure the warlords and opium producers stay in business [the Taleban put the kibosh on opium production as being not a good Islamic activity] - noblesse oblige.