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To: mph who wrote (333539)	11/11/2009 12:17:05 PM
From: average joe	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 793964

"No faith justifies these murderous and craven acts; no just and loving God looks upon them with favor," Obama told the crowd on a steamy Texas afternoon. "And for what he has done, we know that the killer will be met with justice — in this world and the next." Several faiths demand murder. And how does Obama know what happens in the next world? It is possible that the Major will accept Christ as his Lord and Saviour and I'm sure Jeremiah Wright would agree with me could be saved. If Allah is in charge of celestial matters he will be met with a cup of wine and 72 virgins. news.yahoo.com

To: mph who wrote (333539)	11/11/2009 12:25:04 PM
From: Brumar89	Respond to of 793964

No backlash! Americans not "going after" Muslims like liberals keep fearing. americanthinker.com

To: mph who wrote (333539)	11/11/2009 12:26:49 PM
From: Peter Dierks	2 Recommendations Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 793964

Hasan was a terrorist. I made a point when talking to my daughter about it Monday night to use that word. In conversation today I used that term. I should add muslim as a prefix. Hasan was a muslim terrorist. Actually he is still alive, so he is a muslim terrorist. As I've said before, the person who defines the argument wins. It's time for honest people to take back the debate This is one reason I generally refer to the Obama / Pelosi Administration. Pelosi has huge negatives.

To: mph who wrote (333539)	11/11/2009 12:48:58 PM
From: Cheeky Kid	5 Recommendations Respond to of 793964

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To: mph who wrote (333539)	11/11/2009 7:46:08 PM
From: MrLucky	5 Recommendations Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 793964

This came from a trusted friend: Sent: Friday, November 06, 2009 10:05 AM Subject: FW: Fort Hood Account from JAG officer onsite Subject: What happened Since I don't know when I'll sleep (it's 4 am now) I'll write what happened (the abbreviated version.....the long one is already part of the investigation with more to come). I'll not write about any part of the investigation that I've learned about since (as a witness I know more than I should since inevitably my JAG brothers and sisters are deeply involved in the investigation). Don't assume that most of the current media accounts are very accurate. They're not. They'll improve with time. Only those of us who were there really know what went down. But as they collate our statements they'll get it right. I did my SRP last week (Soldier Readiness Processing) but you're supposed to come back a week later to have them look at the smallpox vaccination site (it's this big itchy growth on your shoulder). I am probably alive because I pulled a ---------- and entered the wrong building first (the main SRP building). The Medical SRP building is off to the side. Realizing my mistake I left the main building and walked down the sidewalk to the medical SRP building. As I'm walking up to it the gunshots start. Slow and methodical. But continuous. Two ambulatory wounded came out. Then two soldiers dragging a third who was covered in blood. Hearing the shots but not seeing the shooter, along with a couple other soldiers I stood in the street and yelled at everyone who came running that it was clear but to "RUN!". I kept motioning people fast. About 6-10 minutes later (the shooting continuous), two cops ran up. one male, one female. we pointed in the direction of the shots. they headed that way (the medical SRP building was about 50 meters away). then a lot more gunfire. a couple minutes later a balding man in ACU's came around the building carrying a pistol and holding it tactically. He started shooting at us and we all dived back to the cars behind us. I don't think he hit the couple other guys who were there. I did see the bullet holes later in the cars. First I went behind a tire and then looked under the body of the car. I've been trained how to respond to gunfire...but with my own weapon. To have no weapon I don't know how to explain what that felt like. I hadn't run away and stayed because I had thought about the consequences or anything like that. I wasn't thinking anything through. Please understand, there was no intention. I was just staying there because I didn't think about running. It never occurred to me that he might shoot me. Until he started shooting in my direction and I realized I was unarmed. Then the female cop comes around the corner. He shoots her. (according to the news accounts she got a round into him. I believe it, I just didn't see it. he didn't go down.) She goes down. He starts reloading. He's fiddling with his mags. Weirdly he hasn't dropped the one that was in his weapon. He's holding the fresh one and the old one (you do that on the range when time is not of the essence but in combat you would just let the old mag go). I see the male cop around the left corner of the building. (I'm about 15-20 meters from the shooter.) I yell at the cop, "He's reloading, he's reloading. Shoot him! Shoot him!) You have to understand, everything was quiet at this point. The cop appears to hear me and comes around the corner and shoots the shooter. He goes down. The cop kicks his weapon further away. I sprint up to the downed female cop. Another captain (I think he was with me behind the cars) comes up as well. She's bleeding profusely out of her thigh. We take our belts off and tourniquet her just like we've been trained (I hope we did it right...we didn't have any CLS (combat lifesaver) bags with their awesome tourniquets on us, so we worked with what we had). Meanwhile, in the most bizarre moment of the day, a photographer was standing over us taking pictures. I suppose I'll be seeing those tomorrow. Then a soldier came up and identified himself as a medic. I then realized her weapon was lying there unsecured (and on "fire"). I stood over it and when I saw a cop yelled for him to come over and secure her weapon (I would have done so but I was worried someone would mistake me for a bad guy). I then went over to the shooter. He was unconscious. A Lt Colonel was there and had secured his primary weapon for the time being. He also had a revolver. I couldn't believe he was one of ours. I didn't want to believe it. Then I saw his name and rank and realized this wasn't just some specialist with mental issues. At this point there was a guy there from CID and I asked him if he knew he was the shooter and had him secured. He said he did. I then went over the slaughter house. the medical SRP building. No human should ever have to see what that looked like. and I won't tell you. Just believe me. Please. there was nothing to be done there. Someone then said there was someone critically wounded around the corner. I ran around (while seeing this floor to ceiling window that someone had jumped through movie style) and saw a large African-American soldier lying on his back with two or three soldiers attending. I ran up and identified two entrance wounds on the right side of his stomach, one exit wound on the left side and one head wound. He was not bleeding externally from the stomach wounds (though almost certainly internally) but was bleeding from the head wound. A soldier was using a shirt to try and stop the head bleeding. He was conscious so I began talking to him to keep him so. He was 42, from North Carolina, he was named something Jr., his son was named something III and he had a daughter as well. His children lived with him. He was divorced. I told him the blubber on his stomach saved his life. He smiled. a young soldier in civvies showed up and identified himself as a combat medic. We debated whether to put him on the back of a pickup truck. A doctor (well, an audiologist) showed up and said you can't move him, he has a head wound. we finally sat tight. I went back to the slaughterhouse. they weren't letting anyone in there. not even medics. finally, after about 45 minutes had elapsed some cops showed up in tactical vests. someone said the TBI building was unsecured. They headed into there. All of a sudden a couple more shots were fired. People shouted there was a second shooter. a half hour later the SWAT showed up. there was no second shooter. that had been an impetuous cop apparently. but that confused things for a while. meanwhile I went back to the shooter. the female cop had been taken away. a medic was pumping plasma into the shooter. I'm not proud of this but I went up to her and said "this is the shooter, is there anyone else who needs attention...do them first". she indicated everyone else living was attended to. I still hadn't seen any EMTs or ambulances. I had so much blood on me that people kept asking me if I was ok. but that was all other people's blood. eventually (an hour and a half to two hours after the shootings) they started landing choppers. they took out the big African American guy and the shooter. I guess the ambulatory wounded were all at the SRP building. Everyone else in my area was dead. I suppose the emergency responders were told there were multiple shooters. I heard that was the delay with the choppers (they were all civilian helicopters). they needed a secure LZ. but other than the initial cops who did everything right, I didnt' see a lot of them for a while. I did see many a soldier rush out to help their fellows/sisters. there was one female soldier, I dont' know her name or rank but I would recognize her anywhere who was everywhere helping people. a couple people, mainly civilians, were hysterical, but only a couple. one civilian freaked out when I tried to comfort her when she saw my uniform. I guess she had seen the shooter up close. a lot of soldiers were rushing out to help even when we thought there was another gunman out there. This Army is not broken no matter what the pundits say. Not the Army I saw. and then they kept me for a long time to come. oh, and perhaps the most surreal thing, at 1500 (the end of the workday on Thursdays) when the bugle sounded we all came to attention and saluted the flag. in the middle of it all. this is what I saw. it can't have been real. but this is my small corner of what happened.

To: mph who wrote (333539)	11/14/2009 4:56:43 AM
From: average joe	Respond to of 793964

How Muslims protest locally... Man accused of trying to set self on fire tells story A man accused of pouring gasoline on his head and trying to light himself on fire at a Saskatoon SGI office says he was protesting his treatment by the Crown corporation. Youssef Hajizadeh, 41, is charged with uttering threats and attempting to set a fire in a public place. In an interview with CBC News, Hajizadeh said it all started when he spotted an abandoned table while driving down a highway south of Saskatoon. "I stopped to take the table off the road and then some person came before I get to the table, hit the table and broke the table," he said. "And then he wrote my number down — licence plate down. He said, 'It is yours?' and I said, 'No, it wasn't mine and you should go find the person who dropped the table.'" In early September, a letter arrived from Saskatchewan Government Insurance. "We sent a letter to him asking him to file a claim with his insurance company, or to contact us to address the issue," SGI spokeswoman Kim Hambleton said. "The letter seeks more information, it's not a final ruling." Hajizadeh said he spoke with an adjuster, and then a manager, but no one believed that he was not the owner of the table and didn't cause the accident. Finally, on Oct. 8, he walked into the main SGI office. "I was very upset and thinking and I looked to myself and said there's no way I can talk to these people, they don't understand any language, so I bought the gas and buy the lighter and I went there," he said. Bystanders subdued him as he threatened to set himself on fire. Hajizadeh, who came to Canada from Iran in 1990 and lived and worked in Ontario until moving to Saskatoon in the summer, said he didn't mean to cause anyone harm. "I never thought it would be a threat, I am protesting against them," he said. Hajizadeh is scheduled to return to court later this month. cbc.ca

To: mph who wrote (333539)	11/14/2009 7:17:35 AM
From: average joe	Respond to of 793964

Hundreds of uninvestigated Iraqi abuse claims against troops, says lawyer Minister says no evidence of 'endemic abuse' as MoD looks into 33 cases, including alleged rape and torture of Iraqi civilians The Ministry of Defence has confirmed it is investigating 33 cases of alleged abuse, including rape and torture, of Iraqi civilians by British soldiers. The lawyer representing the alleged victims, Phil Shiner, said there could be hundreds of uninvestigated claims of abuse. One claimant alleges that soldiers based the abuse they allegedly subjected him to on photographs of the abuse at the notorious US detention centre at Baghdad's Abu Ghraib prison, the Independent reported. In one case, British soldiers are accused of piling up Iraqi prisoners on top of one another before subjecting them to electric shocks. Shiner served a pre-action protocol letter on the Ministry of Defence last week and is asking for a judicial review of the cases. In the letter, it was reported, Shiner said the allegations raised questions of collusion between Britain and the US over the ill-treatment of Iraqis. "Given the history of the UK's involvement in the development of these techniques alongside the US, it is deeply concerning that there appears to be strong similarities between instances of the use of sexual humiliation," he told the paper. The Iraqi human rights campaigner Mazin Younis, who has been investigating allegations of abuse by British troops since 2004, said today: "It was quite shocking actually, that we started seeing a pattern very similar to Abu Ghraib where sex or sexual humiliation is used, like playing porn movies in the corridors while the prisoners are in their solitary cells, especially at prayer times. "Then more serious stuff started coming up, when we realised some female soldiers were exposing themselves in front of prisoners while they were in toilets or showers. On one occasion, one female soldier tried to have sex with one of the detainees while he was resting after an operation in a hospital bed." Shiner said that since the British withdrawal from Basra in southern Iraq in the summer, a host of abuse allegations had been made dating back to 2003. He said: "I have it on good authority that there are hundreds of cases that are going uninvestigated. But if you are an Iraqi and terrible things have happened to you then how would you know that we have a judicial system in this country to deal with it? My guess is that many of them will remain buried." One Iraqi claims that he was raped by two British soldiers in 2003 when he was 16, while others claim they were stripped naked, abused and photographed. Both male and female soldiers are alleged to have taken part in abuse. Bill Rammell, the armed forces minister, rejected suggestions that a full public inquiry should be held into British troops' behaviour in Iraq. He said on BBC Radio 4's Today programme that "there is not any evidence of endemic abuse within the armed forces". The minister said about seven of the 33 cases under investigation had been reported within the last month, while the rest "date back significantly beyond that period". "Over 120,000 British troops have served in Iraq and the vast majority have conducted themselves to the highest standards of behaviour, displaying integrity and selfless commitment. Only a tiny number of individuals have been shown to have fallen short of our high standards. Allegations of this nature are taken very seriously, however allegations must not be taken as fact and investigations must be allowed to take their course without judgments being made prematurely," Rammell said. Younis said many alleged victims had waited years before coming forward out of fear. "People were quite scared of the British, because the level of abuses was so high that people feared that the British could detain them," he told the BBC. "They would hear that their friends or relatives had probably been detained for years without charges, they have probably been abused. They all feared that the British would come back and punish them. Now the British are out." The Guardian reported in September that the Royal Military police had launched a criminal investigation into allegations that British soldiers repeatedly raped and mutilated an 18-year-old Iraqi civilian who was working as a labourer at Camp Breadbasket, in Basra, the scene of other abuse allegations. The man, who wishes to remain unnamed, alleged that two soldiers raped him, subjecting him to a 15-minute ordeal, then slashed him with a knife. He was treated in hospital for cuts and the military police are understood to have secured the medical records. The victim said he was so traumatised he tried to kill himself. Shiner also represents the interests of Baha Mousa, an Iraqi who died after being taken into UK military custody. Mousa and nine other civilians were arrested at a hotel in Basra in September 2003. The 26-year-old father-of-two died the following day, having suffered 93 separate injuries, including fractured ribs and a broken nose. Corporal Donald Payne became the first member of the British armed forces to be convicted of a war crime when he pleaded guilty at a court martial in September 2006 to inhumanely treating civilians. He was dismissed from the army and sentenced to one year in a civilian jail. At the ongoing public inquiry into Mousa's death, a former British soldier admitted for the first time that he saw Payne and Private Aaron Cooper kicking and hitting the Iraqi shortly before he died. Garry Reader told a hearing on Monday how he had tried to resuscitate Mousa. guardian.co.uk