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Politics : A US National Health Care System? -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: John Koligman who wrote (11282)	11/12/2009 2:24:02 PM
From: longnshort	Respond to of 42652

health care will cost way more then a 100 billion a year, closer to a trillion a year

To: John Koligman who wrote (11282)	11/12/2009 8:08:50 PM
From: gg cox	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 42652

<<“People talk about waiting lines in Canada,” Dr. Harris added. “I say, well, at least they have a line to wait in.” >> Yes, my latest experience of waiting for health care in Canada was my H1N1 flu shot. Arrived at large Community Auditorium at 5:30.parking lot was full.Through the door with a squirt of hand sanitizer. Fill out a short form and hand it in and then proceed to 1800 capacity modern auditorium with comfortable seating, wait 20 minutes, called to stage by name, where a dozen nursing stations were administering shots. Wait 15 minutes after shot for possible side effects and out the door at 6.40 ...man, socialism hack, spit, sucks.lol yeah i waited for front line health care workers, police, fire, pregnant women and etc to get theirs first because told to wait, and it makes sense. No waiting time for these millionaires though... sports.espn.go.com Some changes will made.

To: John Koligman who wrote (11282)	11/12/2009 9:15:19 PM
From: i-node	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 42652

So one question is whether we’re better off spending that money blowing up things in Helmand Province or building up things in America. I would hope the cost of the war is not a consideration in Obama's decision process. If it is, the US is in far worse shape than even I thought it was.

To: John Koligman who wrote (11282)	11/14/2009 6:22:36 AM
From: Lane3	1 Recommendation Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 42652

"a person like Sue dies as a consequence of lack of health care coverage every 12 minutes in America" I know that messages like that are supposed to tug at our heart strings. If you think with your heart, or don't think at all, I guess it works. But the fact is that a pap test costs less than a monthly phone bill, any sexually active woman knows the risks, and Sue would have to be bone stupid or utterly irresponsible to not get one. Sue is not some innocent victim. While lack of insurance may have been a factor, it is hype to claim it killed her. The whole notion of saving lives or killing people is overdone. We all die. It's reasonable to claim that when some kid with cancer is cured, a life is saved. That kid will have a chance that he otherwise would not have had to grow up, have a career, raise a family. But if someone who has already had a life gets a treatment that adds a few more years before something else does him in, the notion of it having saved a life is just silly. Conversely, failing to get that life extension treatment can't be reasonably said to have killed him. I don't approve of hype. Folks should talk about extending or shortening life, not saving it.

To: John Koligman who wrote (11282)	11/14/2009 9:45:56 AM
From: i-node	Respond to of 42652

On the other hand, the health care legislation pays for itself, according to the Congressional Budget Office I'm not sure when CBO told this tale, but it is utter nonsense. Who are these Americans who die for lack of insurance? Dr. Linda Harris, an ob-gyn in Oregon tells of Sue, a 31-year-old patient of hers. Sue was a single mom who worked hard — sometimes two jobs at once — to ensure that her beloved daughter would enjoy a better life. Tragic, but this story is designed to be tragic.