SI
SI
discoversearch

We've detected that you're using an ad content blocking browser plug-in or feature. Ads provide a critical source of revenue to the continued operation of Silicon Investor.  We ask that you disable ad blocking while on Silicon Investor in the best interests of our community.  If you are not using an ad blocker but are still receiving this message, make sure your browser's tracking protection is set to the 'standard' level.
Politics : Politics for Pros- moderated -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?


To: Nadine Carroll who wrote (333917)11/13/2009 4:50:05 PM
From: Joe Btfsplk  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 794043
 
If KSM is acquitted

Possible great outcome: might open a lot of eyes now squoze shut.



To: Nadine Carroll who wrote (333917)11/13/2009 6:37:23 PM
From: LindyBill  Respond to of 794043
 
'Bring my lawyer! — That's what's so beautiful about America.' [Andy McCarthy]

This excerpt from my book, Willful Blindness, seems fitting this morning:

>>> Back at the safehouse [in Queens] again that evening, the jihadists talked about future operations they hoped to carry out if the present plot [to bomb the UN complex and the Lincoln and Holland Tunnels] went well. In addition to the George Washington Bridge and the [the FBI's Manhattan headquarters], Siddig Ali, Amir Abdelgani, and Tarig Elhassan discussed scouting a U.S. military base on Staten Island—which Siddig apparently sensed might be a more promising target than the Manhattan armory he had surveilled back in the spring.



The plotters then engaged in a breathtaking conversation, castigating the United States with the exception of the one thing they really liked about our nation: the criminal justice system.



The discussion was forced by Elhassan, who had lingering doubts about Puerto Rican jihadist Victor Alvarez's commitment—especially whether he had the courage to withstand the pressure of interrogation if he were arrested. Gazing deeply into Alvarez's eyes, Siddig sternly explained that the bombs would soon be ready, and that perhaps Alvarez should flee to Puerto Rico once the stolen cars [for transporting bombs] had been obtained. Siddig reasoned that Alvarez, unlike the others, was an American citizen: "You understand, brother, for me, for him, no problem. No problem. For you? It's your country. You understand?"



Joined by Elhassan, he warned Alvarez that there would be immense public outcry following the bombings, prompting police to use "every tactic," including torture, to break suspects, and to press aggressively for cooperation. "They'll get you, your mother, your sister, family. They will tell you, 'We're gonna put them in jail.' They will say, 'You know what? You did it. We know you did it. But, if you tell us who else, we'll let you go. Sign the paper.'"



Alvarez would have only two choices. "Number one you talk," begging to be released and handing up "Muslims, terrorists." The "second choice" was the "hard" but rewarding path of praying for the strength—"Oh Allah, make me strong. Let them cut me to pieces!" It was the path of defiantly chanting, "There's no God but Allah." To anneal him in fortitude, Siddig promised that if Alvarez were in jail, he would not be abandoned. After all, Alvarez need only look around him, that very day in that very safehouse, to see that the World Trade Center bombers had not been abandoned:



What happens? The trial is gonna come. They gonna find you guilty. You're already guilty. "You pig"—for being Muslim. But your brothers outside work for you. Now, we will, insha Allah [God willing], free Mahmud [Abouhalima], Nidal [Ayyad], all of them, insha Allah, insha Allah!



Choosing America as an enemy was not, however, without its advantages. Amir Abdelgani advised his confederates that, if arrested, "Nobody talk until seeing his lawyer."



"You understand," Siddig echoed. "Tell them, 'I don't know. I'm not talking to you. Bring my lawyer.' Never talk to them. Not a word. 'My lawyer'—that's it! That's what's so beautiful about America."
The Corner on National Review Online (13 November 2009)
corner.nationalreview.com



To: Nadine Carroll who wrote (333917)11/14/2009 2:25:37 AM
From: KLP  Respond to of 794043
 
This is one backlash that already started today!! Random notes: Biggest news of the day - Another Friday mess…. The terrorists lead by OBL declared War on the US. The very thought of giving murdering terrorists an American civilian trial is beyond comprehension. This could cause the murders of MORE Americans and others around the world. Both citizens of this country in this country, and those who are fighting for this country in Iraq, Afghanistan and other places around the world now will be in more danger than ever before. Obama and his henchmen are simply a train wreck, causing havoc every single week, in any place they can.

The Abomination of having the 9-11 Mastermind tried in Civilian Court! Obscured by the media with Obama's trip to the Far East, Found Water on the Moon, and the Murders at Fort Hood, and Obama's dithering about Afghanistan……, the health care fiasco, Democrat Freezer Jefferson gets 13 years in prison for fraud….

A few of todays Headlines….

New York, Court Brace for Logistical Hurdles
Wall Street Journal - Suzanne Sataline - ?1 hour ago?
The federal trial of Khalid Sheikh Mohammed and his four co-defendants is expected to be one of the costliest cases tried in New York City, with security precautions that will likely exceed previous high-profile terror and mobster ...


For Holder, much wrestling over decision
Washington Post - Carrie Johnson - ?3 hours ago?
Eric H. Holder Jr. called his order Friday to send the suspected plotters of the Sept. 11 attacks to trial in Manhattan "the toughest decision I've had to make as attorney general." But what the nation's chief law enforcement officer ...

9/11 Trial Poses Unparalleled Legal Obstacles for Both Sides
New York Times - Eric Lichtblau, Benjamin Weiser - ?4 hours ago?
AP Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, accused of being the mastermind of the Sept. 11 attacks, after his capture in 2003. Is federal court the right place to prosecute the 9/11 defendants? One step, legal analysts say, ...

________________________________________

"We have hosted terrorism trials before," Mr. Bloomberg said, citing the 1995 trial of Sheik Omar Abdel Rahman, the blind Egyptian mastermind of the 1993 World Trade Center bombing, who was convicted, along with other Islamic militants.
more by Michael Bloomberg - 1 hour ago - Wall Street Journal (2 occurrences)

________________________________________
Critics Weigh Cost of Trying Alleged 9/11 Plotters in New York
FOXNews - Cristina Corbin - ?4 hours ago?
The decision to send self-proclaimed Sept. 11 mastermind Khalid Sheikh Mohammed and his co-conspirators to New York rather than trying them before a military tribunal has been met with strong resistance from critics. ...

Alleged 9/11 Plotters Face Trial
Wall Street Journal - Evan Perez - ?3 hours ago?
Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, the alleged mastermind of the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks, will be tried at a federal courthouse in lower Manhattan, just blocks from the former World Trade Center site, in the ultimate test of the Obama ...

All 1,539 related articles »