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To: Maurice Winn who wrote (32071)	11/14/2009 5:20:36 AM
From: axial	Respond to of 46821

A truce it is. I've bookmarked your post, and will check back in 10 years, assuming we - and SI - are still around. By then, the realities should be clearer - though far from fully devolved. BTW, don't mis-state the issue: To keep the record straight, we aren't talking about the availability of energy: nobody questions the fact that there's lots of coal to be dug, or plenty of rivers that could be dammed. *The issue is the cost* and the effect of energy alternatives including environmental cost and in future, whether mankind can afford those costs and effects.** --- Conceded, your statements represent the majority view. Consistent with human proclivities and history, that presents a low-risk high-return investing opportunity: betting on human nature is as good as it gets. Collectively, men are scavengers and destroyers. They will foul their nest and reduce themselves to starvation before they come to their senses. Jim

To: Maurice Winn who wrote (32071)	11/22/2009 4:35:30 PM
From: pltodms	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 46821

Remarks from Curtis Frasier: Harper's Magazine and Shell present insights into energy security [Interesting discussion that may have some relevance to this thread.] The combination of acute international financial obstacles and the volatility of oil prices has renewed the debate over energy security. The United States imports almost 70% of its crude oil and a rising portion of oil products, so national security concerns are again the primary focus of the energy debate. Given the U.S. position as the world’s largest oil consumer, Harper’s Magazine recently invited four experts associated with the fossil-fuel industry to share their thoughts on this topic. They met on September 17, 2009, at the University Club of Chicago to discuss current and emerging crossborder challenges. As oil needs increase worldwide, the role of the energy sector will be to promote new solutions both to sustain human life and to offset conflicting responses to current problems. The members of this panel, sponsored by Shell, addressed these issues to an audience of Harper’s Magazine subscribers, educators, and concerned citizens. The following dialogue summarizes their viewpoints. blip.tv Q&A: Harper's Magazine and Shell present insights into energy security blip.tv TRANSCRIPT OF THE EVENT harpers.org