To: LLCF who wrote (81818 ) 11/17/2009 5:28:34 PM From: Greg or e Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 82486 "I at least used all words used by the article...with omission. your's DIDNT. Yours is a DIRECT MISQUOTE with insertion of YOUR OWN WORDS!" No links, no quotes, how does anyone know what you are referring to? Here's my post with the accurate quote: Message 26105844 "The Human Fetus is a genetically distinct, (from the mother) new human being, that begins to exist at conception. It is not the mother, and the mother is not it, as you claimed. In Vitro Fertilization proves that." Here's YOUR VERSION: The Human Fetus is a genetically distinct,that begins to exist at conception.>> siliconinvestor.com Big chunk missing out of the middle, no ellipsis, changes the meaning. Dishonest "Here's another hoot.... more insertions of lies in order to try and be right: me:" "Further you avoid the reality that the MOTHERS body routinely decides to end development when it deems it proper...>> you: <You keep repeating this fallacious assertion. The womans body does not make a conscious decision to do anything. > Don't see any quotation marks there now do you? What a PUTZ! If you use quotation marks it is incumbent on you to quote exactly or clearly indicate otherwise. It is not the same for paraphrasing which is why you don't use quotation marks when paraphrasing. My paraphrase of what you said was completely accurate. "Then when you're done with your piddling, you can get back to core issue:" "Mother and developing egg are not separate". You are purposely using "separate" in a different sense than I am. That's called equivocation and again; when done on purpose it is dishonest. The Fetus is a living Human being that is genetically distinct from it's mother, that develops inside the mothers body. There is a sense where the mother and child are not separate and there is a sense where they are. The important and relevant distinction is the fact that there are 2 Human beings involved in an abortion. One kills (or has killed) the other through an active decision and decisive action. You won't answer the question of when from a scientific perspective a fetus becomes a human being. Why not?