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To: Bread Upon The Water who wrote (125162)	11/19/2009 11:47:19 PM
From: Jeff Hayden	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 543106

The scientific method leads to advancement in science and knowledge. Theories are proven by measurement in laboratories and in the environment. Theories and measured proofs are vetted by other scientists, not by shoe salesmen. Theories may be later proven wrong by better measurements as technology advances, but not by vote.

To: Bread Upon The Water who wrote (125162)	11/20/2009 7:56:54 AM
From: Bread Upon The Water	Respond to of 543106

PS. And apologies also. It wasn't so much a "missed point" as that I hadn't refined my argument up until that point-- and it was only in debating with you that I realized what it was I was trying to say---in an exact way. So thanks for debating.

To: Bread Upon The Water who wrote (125162)	11/20/2009 8:52:27 AM
From: epicure	Respond to of 543106

I think you are just wrong about this. The science is still important whether or not we humans accept it. Right now there are people who reject science- at least in areas where it interferes with their beliefs. My point is that science is still valuable and still useful to those who accept it, and use it to rely on- and it makes a better tool in most instances than belief, IF what you are doing requires you to access something close to reality. So I think you missed my point. None of this really matters, of course, things are what they are, but I get a lot of benefit out of my access to scientific papers, even if no one else on the planet accepted them. My access to scientific information informs my job and my life. I guess if science was so unaccepted no one was doing it, that might make my access to it problematic, but we were not talking about that. We were talking about the world as it is now- where some people refuse to look at data, and rely only on their belief systems.