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Politics : Sharks in the Septic Tank -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: one_less who wrote (81856)	11/20/2009 11:37:55 AM
From: LLCF	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 82486

<How we get to what ought to be (what would be right) is a gigantic subject.> Not if you have a bible and a dictionary! -gggg- DAK

To: one_less who wrote (81856)	11/20/2009 9:53:33 PM
From: Greg or e	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 82486

<<How do you get from what is to what ought to be>> "You don't. What is, is. I didn't make it that way and I've no clue what you mean by 'what ought to be' (exception human beings) but you or I can't change what is nature." So Humans are somehow exempt from nature? How did that happen? "Rightness and wrongness is bound only in human nature and that is the only way we can get to addressing it." Humans seem to naturally do a lot of things that are considered evil. "I don't even have a problem if you want to say (metaphorically) that we've all eaten of the fruit of knowledge of good and evil." <"Isn't that special?"> I'm not so much asking what you don't have a problem with as I'm asking what YOUR solution to the problem is? "The starting point is not some currently popular social issue, or geopolitical circumstance in the world but the underlying principle of rightness or righteousness if you prefer. From that we can form a principled position then we can go further to address what is right and what is wrong and what ought to be. " You seem to be just begging the question? How do you come to this "underlying principle of rightness or righteousness"? "Human rightness is established on a regard for the goodness in all," You're running in circles. "Rightness is realized individually through freedom of conscience, which maintains the delicate balance between responsibility for the care of one's fellows and the freedom from oppression by one's fellows that we should all seek individually and on behalf of one another." "Feel-ings: nothing more than, Feeel-ings"? Someone queue Morris Albert. "What purpose does human consciousness serve, if not to allow human will to liberate self from the grosser endeavors of human existence?" >>"Man's chief and highest end is to glorify God, and fully to enjoy him forever."<< reformed.org