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Politics : Sharks in the Septic Tank -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: average joe who wrote (81861)	11/20/2009 8:24:35 PM
From: Solon	1 Recommendation Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 82486

"kill every male among the little ones" Something about the "little ones" seems to be of significance to Moses, et al. "kill every woman who has known a man intimately" No "justice" slaughters here. Just self interest!! "keep alive for yourselves all the young girls who have not known a man intimately."" God doesn't command rape!! God hates Moses! After all, He tried to kill him at the INN and failed--LOL!! So these rapes are all on Moses, Joshua, Lot...blah blah blah. Why blame a God for considering rape a cute story when murdering the entire earthly population by horrific drowning is just a trifle??! The God who butchers at random (David does a census!!) would NEVER countenance rape!!--LOL!!

To: average joe who wrote (81861)	11/20/2009 8:52:46 PM
From: Solon	1 Recommendation Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 82486

This is just beautiful literature--chock full of WISDOM! And it ends with a HUGE THREAT not to show any compassion!! "if ye will not drive out the inhabitants of the land from before you; then it shall come to pass, that those which ye let remain of them shall be pricks in your eyes, and thorns in your sides, and shall vex you in the land wherein ye dwell. 56 Moreover it shall come to pass, that I shall do unto you, as I thought to do unto them." You gotta feel that wonderful spirit of primitive hate and aggression inside your heart! The God who loved Noah the Drunkard, Moses the Murderer/rapist, Lot the incest drunkard and rapist--only the very BEST!! ...and we have left out so many ... :-) _____________________________ 13 And they departed from Dophkah, and encamped in Alush. 14 And they removed from Alush, and encamped at Rephidim, where was no water for the people to drink. 15 And they departed from Rephidim, and pitched in the wilderness of Sinai. 16 And they removed from the desert of Sinai, and pitched at Kibrothhattaavah. 17 And they departed from Kibrothhattaavah, and encamped at Hazeroth. 18 And they departed from Hazeroth, and pitched in Rithmah. 19 And they departed from Rithmah, and pitched at Rimmonparez. 20 And they departed from Rimmonparez, and pitched in Libnah. 21 And they removed from Libnah, and pitched at Rissah. 22 And they journeyed from Rissah, and pitched in Kehelathah. 23 And they went from Kehelathah, and pitched in mount Shapher. 24 And they removed from mount Shapher, and encamped in Haradah. 25 And they removed from Haradah, and pitched in Makheloth. 26 And they removed from Makheloth, and encamped at Tahath. 27 And they departed from Tahath, and pitched at Tarah. 28 And they removed from Tarah, and pitched in Mithcah. 29 And they went from Mithcah, and pitched in Hashmonah. 30 And they departed from Hashmonah, and encamped at Moseroth. 31 And they departed from Moseroth, and pitched in Benejaakan. 32 And they removed from Benejaakan, and encamped at Horhagidgad. 33 And they went from Horhagidgad, and pitched in Jotbathah. 34 And they removed from Jotbathah, and encamped at Ebronah. 35 And they departed from Ebronah, and encamped at Eziongaber. 36 And they removed from Eziongaber, and pitched in the wilderness of Zin, which is Kadesh. 37 And they removed from Kadesh, and pitched in mount Hor, in the edge of the land of Edom. 38 And Aaron the priest went up into mount Hor at the commandment of the LORD, and died there, in the fortieth year after the children of Israel were come out of the land of Egypt, in the first day of the fifth month. 39 And Aaron was an hundred and twenty and three years old when he died in mount Hor. 40 And king Arad the Canaanite, which dwelt in the south in the land of Canaan, heard of the coming of the children of Israel. 41 And they departed from mount Hor, and pitched in Zalmonah. 42 And they departed from Zalmonah, and pitched in Punon. 43 And they departed from Punon, and pitched in Oboth. 44 And they departed from Oboth, and pitched in Ijeabarim, in the border of Moab. 45 And they departed from Iim, and pitched in Dibongad. 46 And they removed from Dibongad, and encamped in Almondiblathaim. 47 And they removed from Almondiblathaim, and pitched in the mountains of Abarim, before Nebo. 48 And they departed from the mountains of Abarim, and pitched in the plains of Moab by Jordan near Jericho. 49 And they pitched by Jordan, from Bethjesimoth even unto Abelshittim in the plains of Moab. 50 ¶ And the LORD spake unto Moses in the plains of Moab by Jordan near Jericho, saying, 51 Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them, When ye are passed over Jordan into the land of Canaan; 52 Then ye shall drive out all the inhabitants of the land from before you, and destroy all their pictures, and destroy all their molten images, and quite pluck down all their high places: 53 And ye shall dispossess the inhabitants of the land, and dwell therein: for I have given you the land to possess it. 54 And ye shall divide the land by lot for an inheritance among your families: and to the more ye shall give the more inheritance, and to the fewer ye shall give the less inheritance: every man's inheritance shall be in the place where his lot falleth; according to the tribes of your fathers ye shall inherit. 55 But if ye will not drive out the inhabitants of the land from before you; then it shall come to pass, that those which ye let remain of them shall be pricks in your eyes, and thorns in your sides, and shall vex you in the land wherein ye dwell. 56 Moreover it shall come to pass, that I shall do unto you, as I thought to do unto them.

To: average joe who wrote (81861)	11/23/2009 11:24:08 AM
From: one_less	1 Recommendation Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 82486

I gave that passage some thought over the weekend. From an objective point of view and found it can be viewed as practical. Shedding blood in violent conquest produces vengeful enemies among men. The kith and kin of a beloved slaughtered man were bound in ancient times to find resolution the only way they knew how; and that was to bring an equal or greater measure of harm as soon as they were able. "Now therefore, kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman who has known a man intimately." Had the fellows who murdered the family members of Ghengus Khan followed this recipe, they could have saved themselves a great deal of grief. Even in modern times our judges won't finalize a divorce until at least 90 days of separation, partly to ensure no little surprises show up in mommies tummy. Mommies are known to engender those qualities in their sons, which they so loved in the father. This could also apply to getting even for the slaughtering episode. "But keep alive for yourselves all the young girls who have not known a man intimately." I don't automatically assume they would have been merely objects of rapacious insatiation for the fun of deflowering them. This was a period where populating the earth with your kind was generally the best way to ensure success materially and survival of your way of life. The young girls did not tend toward revenge, they would likely parish without the support of Moses's people and were assumed to be grateful for being spared. They were likely treated reasonably well, especially since they would be bearing the next generation of the tribe. But the objection you have is how this all reflects on God, if at all. It reflects badly under certain assumptions. If you assume God is benevolently watching over all the children of Earth, having some slaughtered merely because they were building and inhabiting a society that others want is a mismatch. Another assumption is the covenant assumption where God picks a group of people who have the right stuff and everyone else gets whacked so's to produce all the right people, living the right way on Earth. So, we got Noah's flood and the problem should have been fixed. Then we get the genocide and cleansing of the population by Moses's people and the problem should have been fixed. We've seen other examples through time and up to modern times including the Mormons finding the Promised land in Utah. And yet, how have these ventures worked out each time, not so good. Now we have Radical terrorists with a similar vision. Another assumption is that, every attempt must be offered by God before the end of time, so that on a final judgement day when people raise their objections God can say, nope we gave you that and you trashed it. Like a lot of people will say, oy, uh, um ok here's the deal, if you will show me a divine miracle that I can see with my own eyes, I'll be a believer... God will say, hold on a sec, I sent Jesus to prove that isn't true and he did a marvelous job...next. I waxed way into the theatrics of this, somebody else can clean it up if they want.