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To: joseffy who wrote (229688)11/20/2009 7:59:18 PM
From: Think4YourselfRespond to of 306849
 
There are most certainly a lot of ignorant/incompetent schmucks on both sides. That doesn't mean it's not happening...unless they are out every summer with ice picks, chipping Manhattan and New Jersey sized chunks of ice off of the previously stable Arctic Shelf. That IS happening, for whatever reasons.



To: joseffy who wrote (229688)11/20/2009 8:43:00 PM
From: neolibRespond to of 306849
 
That is, to hide a decline in global temperatures.

No its not. There are very well known issues with some particular data series this email was talking about, well published in the literature, and the "trick" referred to here is the well known procedure used by everyone.

The normal blogsphere wack jobs are wetting their pants over this, and will simply look like idiots when they bother to educate themselves. Oops, I guess thats not likely to happen, is it?

No doubt, instances of cherry-picked and poorly-worded “gotcha” phrases will be pulled out of context. One example is worth mentioning quickly. Phil Jones in discussing the presentation of temperature reconstructions stated that “I’ve just completed Mike’s Nature trick of adding in the real temps to each series for the last 20 years (ie from 1981 onwards) and from 1961 for Keith’s to hide the decline.” The paper in question is the Mann, Bradley and Hughes (1998) Nature paper on the original multiproxy temperature reconstruction, and the ‘trick’ is just to plot the instrumental records along with reconstruction so that the context of the recent warming is clear. Scientists often use the term “trick” to refer to a “a good way to deal with a problem”, rather than something that is “secret”, and so there is nothing problematic in this at all. As for the ‘decline’, it is well known that Keith Briffa’s maximum latewood tree ring density proxy diverges from the temperature records after 1960 (this is more commonly known as the “divergence problem”–see e.g. the recent discussion in this paper) and has been discussed in the literature since Briffa et al in Nature in 1998 (Nature, 391, 678-682). Those authors have always recommend not using the post 1960 part of their reconstruction, and so while ‘hiding’ is probably a poor choice of words (since it is ‘hidden’ in plain sight), not using the data in the plot is completely appropriate, as is further research to understand why this happens.



To: joseffy who wrote (229688)11/20/2009 8:50:06 PM
From: steve harrisRespond to of 306849
 
Another fraud just like almost every other crisis politicians create to take your money.