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To: Skeeter Bug who wrote (229716)	11/20/2009 10:14:31 PM
From: neolib	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 306849

An awful lot of them went down with their ships. What about them?

To: Skeeter Bug who wrote (229716)	11/20/2009 11:16:05 PM
From: NOW	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 306849

cant believe you need to explain that to folks

To: Skeeter Bug who wrote (229716)	11/21/2009 11:16:31 AM
From: LTK007	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 306849

<<they knew failure would occur - that's why they kept the revolving door with government churning. that's why they spent billions lobbying washington.>>For the record there initially were released e-mails showing they knew this would happen and the attitude was let's make as much as we can while this is happening and then get the hell out. There is no question that the U.S.Government with the archives of the "we track everything" NSA 'we spy on you and you and you and you and you and you and you ........................................ on and on' do have smoking guns bring down the Lords WS and Big bankers from the CEO of GS and to the CEO of Citigroup. This foreknowledge could be PROVED, but the last thing the Plutocracy wants is to have it proven--from Bush to Cheney to Obama to Biden on and on and on and on, there would be a united front to crush the truth from coming out. The Government KNOWS the truth would bring down the U.S.Government as we presently know it and this two party system would be revealed as the SICK JOKE where the two sides but use idealogical verbal spats, as a sideshow, a hollow carnival to distract the public from the BIG CRIME that they must hide, that being Democracy is DEAD, we ,america, are now but a shell filled with meaningless static used to keep the public brain from connecting dots, and seeing the UGLY TRUTH. The HC fury is nothing but a Red Herring that is being USED by the Plutocracy to create an illusion of Republicans against Democrats and to "establish" their being different parties in a viable democratic two party system. i could go on and on,i could write a book about this, but Chris Hedges already has in his book Empire of Illusion. ***************** Any that have actually studied Tom Jefferson HONESTLY would know Tom Jefferson would be IN FACT calling for A REVOLUTION to overthrow the powers that rule Washington D.C.---and he would mean, overthrow, to run all that roaches and rats that now hide under the cloak of representatives of the people and to run them out and run them to ground,and tied and captured. Given Jefferson's brilliance, he would be considered threat and would be systematically smeared as a nutcase, and in the end arrested and indefinitely "detained" as a subversive to The Glorious American Government. One thing i am sure of,Jefferson would not be involved in this Get Obama the Socialist(the is driven by The Far Right), as Jefferson would be far tooooooooo bright not to see the BS of that crowd, and see that the enemy is actually The Entire Political System, and it doesn't have a damn thing to do between clashes between the Republican and Democratic Party--and i would say also he would NOT get on the Libertarian Band Wagon(though he would definitely be forcefully anti-imperialism). ************************ No man of the leaders of the american revolution was more loyal, and supportive to Tom Paine, after Tom Paine had been declared PARIAH. Tom Paine in his a writing that lengthy polemic called Common Sense,a book that was read and re-read by the vast majority of the literate american public, it has been argued that Common Sense was a force so strong to leading to the american revolution, that without it, there would have been no american revolution. i can imagine as it as quite possible Tom Jefferson would found The Common Sense Party, and sadly, it would he crushed because of a lack of supporters ,and thus easy for The Authorities to get rid of this "subversive". This is a sick country, perhaps terminally sick. signed Max,who since attending this thread has seen his ignore count rise by 25(from about 60)--the pleasure is mine:)