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To: Peter Dierks who wrote (25844)	11/23/2009 4:07:46 AM
From: Maurice Winn	2 Recommendations Respond to of 36921

Here they are: www-pcmdi.llnl.gov Tel. (925) 422-3840 Fax (925) 422-7675 Acting Program Director, Karl Taylor Administrative Assistant, Christine McCallister Name Position E-mail Phone Number Taylor, Karl Acting Program Director taylor13@llnl.gov (925) 423-3623 Bonfils, Celine Research Scientist bonfils2@llnl.gov (925) 423-9923 Boyle, Jim Research Scientist boyle5@llnl.gov (925) 422-1824 Caldwell, Peter Research Scientist caldwell19@llnl.gov (925) 422-4197 Covey, Curt Research Scientist covey1@llnl.gov (925) 422-1828 Doutriaux, Charles Computer Scientist doutriaux1@llnl.gov (925) 422-1487 Drach, Bob Computer Scientist drach1@llnl.gov (925) 422-8303 Gleckler, Peter Research Scientist gleckler1@llnl.gov (925) 422-7631 Hoang, Tony Systems Administrator thoang@llnl.gov (925) 423-6733 Ivanova, Detelina Postdoctoral Researcher ivanova2@llnl.gov (925) 422-5790 Klein, Stephen Research Scientist klein21@llnl.gov (925) 423-9777 McCallister, Christine Administrative Assistant mccalister4@llnl.gov (925) 422-3840 McClean, Julie Research Scientist mcclean3@llnl.gov (925) 422-3132 McCoy, Renata Computer Scientist mccoy20@llnl.gov (925) 424-5237 Phillips, Tom Research Scientist phillips14@llnl.gov (925) 422-0072 Potter, Jerry Research Scientist (retired) gpotter@llnl.gov (925) 422-1832 (925) 784-8163 (c) Santer, Ben Research Scientist santer1@llnl.gov (925) 422-3840 Sperber, Ken Research Scientist sperber1@llnl.gov (925) 422-7720 Williams, Dean Computer Scientist williams13@llnl.gov (925) 423-0145 Xie, Shaocheng Research Scientist xie2@llnl.gov (925) 422-6023 Zhang, Yuying Research Scientist zhang24@llnl.gov (925) 423-8505 Zhang, Yunyan Research Scientist zhang25@llnl.gov (925) 422-5778 UCRL-MI-119847 > from Maurice Winn to santer1@llnl.gov cc taylor13@llnl.gov date Mon, Nov 23, 2009 at 10:05 PM subject Somebody is making claims about you. mailed-by gmail.com hide details 10:05 PM (0 minutes ago) <<In one email, Benjamin Santer from the Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory in Livermore, Calif., wrote to the director of the climate-study center that he was "tempted to beat" up Mr. Michaels. Mr. Santer couldn't be reached for comment Sunday.>> Is that true? [I don't mean that you couldn't be reached - I mean the interest in beating up Pat Michaels]. <<"This is horrible," said Pat Michaels, a climate scientist at the Cato Institute in Washington who is mentioned negatively in the emails. "This is what everyone feared. Over the years, it has become increasingly difficult for anyone who does not view global warming as an end-of-the-world issue to publish papers. This isn't questionable practice, this is unethical." >> Maurice Winn Auckland New Zealand

To: Peter Dierks who wrote (25844)	11/23/2009 9:29:56 AM
From: Brumar89	1 Recommendation Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 36921

Caught red-handed in a monumental fraud, disgraced Climategate scientists settle on a ludicrous defense With the world in possession of an unprecedented, absolutely massive, easily searchable database of "context", they're going with this defense: we're being quoted out of context. Hacked E-Mails Fuel Global Warming Debate \| Privacy Digest Another e-mail from Jones dated last year with the subject line “IPCC and FOI” is a request to Michael Mann, asking him to delete certain e-mails. Bloggers allege that Jones was trying to destroy data that had been requested under the Freedom of Information Act. Jones wasn’t available for comment. Mann told Threat Level that he never deleted any e-mails and doesn’t know the context under which Jones made the request. ... [Gavin Schmidt]: “It’s just scientists talking about science, and they’re talking relatively openly as people in private e-mails generally are freer with their thoughts than they would be in a public forum. The few quotes that are being pulled out [are out] of context. People are using language used in science and interpreting it in a completely different way.” Trenberth agrees. “If you read all of these e-mails, you will be surprised at the integrity of these scientists,” he says. “The unfortunate thing about this is that people can cherry pick and take things out of context.” CRU’s Climate Tricksters–Context is Everything \| GlobalWarming.org Michael E. Mann, who directs the Earth System Science Center at Pennsylvania State University, said in a telephone interview from Paris that skeptics “are taking these words totally out of context to make something trivial appear nefarious.” The Associated Press: [Phil Jones now remembers what he meant?] [Phil] Jones denied manipulating evidence and insisted his comment had been taken out of context. ... "The selective publication of some stolen e-mails and other papers taken out of context is mischievous and cannot be considered a genuine attempt to engage with this issue in a responsible way," [the University of East Anglica] said in a statement. [Phil Jones claims he can't remember what he meant] [Phil Jones] told the magazine that there was no intention to mislead, but he had "no idea" what he meant by those words. "That was an e-mail from ten years ago. Can you remember the exact context of what you wrote ten years ago?" he said. Update from the comment section below: funny how the hackers are taking things out of context, but when these "scientists" claim the earth's temperature has been rising without taking into account [the context of] solar activity, that is good accurate science. tomnelson.blogspot.com