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To: Steve Lokness who wrote (104786)	11/23/2009 11:17:22 AM
From: axial	1 Recommendation Respond to of 116555

Steve, with GW it doesn't matter to me what side people are on. But some people have better reasons than others. There are a lot of tricks being played; the most prominent is "standard of proof". The law gives us two standards: [1] Criminal - "beyond reasonable doubt" [2] Civil - "on the balance of probabilities" --- Humans use the civil standard all the time: in investing, budgeting, weather forecasting, epidemiology and so on. It's the way we make decisions based on the best - but incomplete - information. The trick being played is to demand absolute proof for unprovable propositions: that's a standard that can never be met, despite the fact that humans routinely use a much lower standard for many important activities. --- But it doesn't matter: scientists may tell us what man is doing, but history tells us what he will do. It's the same as the economic and financial crises: we don't need economists to tell us how it will evolve; history will do the job. Message 24665654 *Men will keep doing what they've always done*: they'll foul their own nest, and drive themselves to the edge of disaster before they come to their senses. So I don't worry about the debate: mankind's future is foretold by its past. Jim

To: Steve Lokness who wrote (104786)	11/24/2009 12:30:12 AM
From: Krisyy5	1 Recommendation Respond to of 116555

Here are a bunch of articles on the Great Climategate Scam Exposed, following hacked e-mail exchanges coming to light, concerning global warming professors agreeing to fudge the data, etc.: • "Breaking News Story: CRU has apparently been hacked - hundreds of files released" (wattsupwiththat.com) - Nov. 19, 2009. • "Climategate: the final nail in the coffin of 'Anthropogenic Global Warming'?" by James Delingpole (telegraph.co.uk) - Nov. 20, 2009. • "Hacked E-Mail Is New Fodder for Climate Dispute" [Hacked E-mail Exchanges of Global Warming Con-Men] by Andrew C. Revkin (nytimes.com) - Nov. 21, 2009. • Link to E-mails in .zip file - "Climate audit whistleblower FOIA / FOI2009.zip / File size: 61.93 MB" (megaupload.com). • "Warmist conspiracy exposed?" [Warming Scientists' e-mails expose Tremendous Fraud] by Andrew Bolt (news.com.au) - Nov. 20, 2009. • "Climate Scientists Alleged to Have Manipulated Data" (environmentalleader.com) - Nov. 23, 2009. "Climate change denial MEP attacks church" [Member of Euro-Parliament Blasts Church for Preaching Global Warming] by Allegra Stratton (guardian.co.uk) - Nov. 20, 2009. "IMF warns second bailout would 'threaten democracy' " [Democracy Can't Tolerate Second Bailout] by Angela Jameson and Elizabeth Judge (timesonline.co.uk) - Nov. 23, 2009. "EU history will be all the history taught in schools" [EU History to Replace all Countries' Histories] by Christopher Booker (telegraph.co.uk) - Nov. 21, 2009. "Author Francesco Stipo to Present Book 'World Federalist Manifesto' at the National Press Club" [Club of Rome Director presents World Federalist Manifesto] (mmdnewswire.com).