To: Elmer Flugum who wrote (25864 ) 11/27/2009 12:32:37 PM From: Peter Dierks Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 36917 In thinking of welfare, we should not neglect the fact that middle and upper income folks are recipients of subsidies You are sounding like a proponent of the flat tax. That would be fine with me. Government does not belong in the business of determining winners and losers.What the liberals wish to do is extend medical care to those who cannot afford it. If that were true then the bills presented would do that. Pelosi's leaves 30 million uninsured. This happens to be the actual number of uninsured Americans today, including millions who are merely between insurance policies rather than without.I believe that many of those who profess to be concerned about the environment are genuine. They would not have to rely on fraudulent mechanisms if it were egalitarian.If we can assume that earth's resources are going to be limiting, and perhaps destructive to all of us surviving on this planet, changes will have to be made. "Earth is the cradle of mankind, but one cannot live in the cradle forever" Konstantin Tsiolkovsky >>There are many global warmongers who choose to remain oblivious to scientific facts. That was the genius of the strategy, get a small lead and then declare it game over at halftime. Some may even still believe despite the mounting evidence of the fraud.I am of the opinion that we should err on the side of safety and being prepared for the future. Even if the global warming/climate change is an aberration or a fleeting phase (if it is an issue at all), we should be developing more efficient technologies that are an improvement for doing more with less or just doing less altogether. ...At the same time, I see global warming folks as trying to fudge data to justify their cause (and perhaps to unethically profit by it). In short, we need to go down this road of preparing for the future and building future insurance now. There is an entire solar system of resources within our grasp. Would you like to revert to the way of life from a 100 years ago? 300? 500? 1000? 2000? 5000? Technology can help us advance. Right now we are under orders to eliminate clean incandescent lighting by 2012. The primary replacement will be mercury polluting fluorescent. Al Gore: Since 2000, according to published reports, the former veep has transformed himself from a public servant with around $1 million in the bank to a sparkling private consultant with a net worth estimated to be north of $100 million. (published in 2007 ) Albert is now worth over $1Billion. His rapid gains are from below market investments in technologies that benefit from the global warming hoax.