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To: Sal Comunale who wrote (7600)11/1/1997 1:35:00 PM
From: Rick  Respond to of 12454
 
Sal,
You asked:
>>>Is Gary asking us to turn over our voting rights to him? Or is he asking for an already completed proxy that votes along his lines. I think there is a huge difference.<<<

Here is what he said.

>>>>>> I am willing to collect proxies from shareholders and to attend
>>>>>>the meeting for the purpose of offering an alternative plan.

>>>>>If enough shareholders are interested in having me vote their
>>>>>proxies for a consensus plan (assuming we can arrive at one),...
exchange2000.com

You also said:

>>>>We already know whats going to happen, dont we now. They will get the share increase, and the reverse.... But the preferred stock and board proposal will go the way of the NYS contract. <<<<

I think possibly not, if you all had lawyers coordinating opposition, rather than giving the reverse split away up front. THAT IS THE MAIN THING THEY WANT. Even George said they don't care which reverse they get, any of them keep the game going. Denial of all (i.e. no votes on all 15) forces them to put up or fold by March.



To: Sal Comunale who wrote (7600)11/1/1997 3:01:00 PM
From: Gary Green  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 12454
 
Sal- I am not asking anyone to do anything, YET.

Lets not get carried away. In my original posting, found at, exchange2000.com
I did not ask for anyone's proxy, nor did I say I had decided to even vote shares for anyone but my own interests. Precisely, I said the following:
"If enough shareholders are interested in having me vote their
proxies for a consensus plan (assuming we can arrive at one), I
will try to locate the large block holders that are not affiliated
with management, and seek their support. In fact, I have a hunch
that they or their representatives read this thread, and I invite
their responses as well.


As you can see, I proposed simply one possible plan. But I did not even presume that my plan was either the best one, nor the one that would generate a "consensus". What I said precisely was:

"I am willing to collect proxies from
shareholders and to attend the meeting for the purpose of offering
an alternative plan. The one I suggest above is not written in
granite, and many of you shareholders have more experience with C CEE than I. Frankly, my plan is based solely on logic."


A proxy will require a large amount of work, and expense on my part. My investment in CCEE is substantial, but no so large that I am willing to go into debt to present an alternative at the shareholders' meeting where the shareholders suspect I am working against their interests. That much of a good citizen, I am not.

As you can see, I acknowledged clearly in my original posting that there may be a far superior plan than mine, but in my estimation, someone had to step forward and take action; all of the whining and carping on this thread with no plan other than the useless suggestion of "JUST SAY NO, struck me as doubly counter-productive. It could not help the trading price of the stock while we awaited the meeting on the one hand, and on the other, the sobbing by the disappointed shareholders coupled with the lunacy of the termite resulted in there being no sensible discussion of what our options as shareholders really might be.

I therefore calculated the number of shares held by management (about 6%), guessed at the large blocks based on the size of block trades in the month of September and what Mr. West said he had sold to his customers, and concluded that the little guys (i.e., us) if we acted with the large blocks, could probably make a run for it and cause the company to listen to reason. I thought at the very least, I could generate interest in fighting back instead of moaning and feeling victimized.

Sal, your problem is that you are listening to the termite-maniac and giving him credit for being a normal person. Give it up. If normal people were like Rick, the Human race would not have made it past Neanderthal Man. Use your logic. The company proposed essentially 3 things:(1)increase the float by 150 million shares; (2)create a classified board; and (3) A reverse stock split to satisfy NASDAQ rules. I opposed the float increase and the classified board proposals and stated why. I am in favor of the reverse split for only one reason, I refuse to own a stock on the bulletin board/pink sheets because I have seen too many of my clients get hustled on pink sheet stocks. Can anyone here disagree with my logic?

For the termite to use the lone coincidence that I practice in Philadelphia and the meeting was scheduled there (during the Thanksgiving period to keep the crowd to a minimum), is a Rickism. That means it shares the following characteristics: it is stupid, malicious and the product of a demented mind.

The last thing Rick could live with is if Bohemia suddenly began to listen to shareholders and to act as a responsive management acts.

Now put yourself in my shoes. I received a ton of unsolicited e-mail asking my advice, and some inquired if I could vote their shares since my office is in Philadelphia, and they assumed I would attend the meeting. I spent my own hours (for which clients gladly and regularly pay me $300/hour--thank you) to make phone calls and to investigate management's attitude, as well as to locate where the large blocks of stock are located. If you are a shareholder, I did that for you along with other shareholders, including of course, myself. And then I took the additional time to carefully report everything of relevance I learned in a posting on this thread. Who else on this thread did anything like that?

I specifically asked that we discuss the pros and cons of my plan, and invited all others (except the termite-for obvious reasons) to add substantive comments and criticisms. Have you seen any substantive comments yet?

What are we talking about? The coincidence that I practice in Philadelphia? Or am I an employee or lawyer for CCEE? [Check out the Winter, 1996-97 postings on the ECO2 thread on Silicon Investor and you will find out who I am, and how I operate. You will easily determine the thousands of dollars my law firm poured into the effort of first trying to force a dialogue between a crooked management and the shareholders, and then to attempt to paste together a large enough group to litigate--only to find out the company vanished and there were no target defendants to sue.

If you want to elevate Rick to the status of a human being, that is your own mistake in judgement. If there were to be an outside proxy, it would not be the termite who would be filing the forms to comply with Rule 14(a) of the Securities and Exchange Act of 1934, nor would the termite be the one paying a lawyer to do the work--I would incur that burden. And it would not be the termite who would be forced by the law to spend the money to notify the shareholders of the outsiders' proxy solicitation (all 20,000 or so of them), that would fall on my shoulders too.)

Now ask yourself, what in the world would I have to gain by doing all of this? And why would management need me or anyone to do an outsiders' proxy solicitation to achieve this result--management could simply agree to table or withdraw the two proposals I find offensive and leave only the needed reverse split authorization.

There is nothing more discouraging than to step forward in an effort to bring people in a crisis together, and to find that some heckling jackass is able to divert their attention away from the issues that must be discussed.

Hey Sal if you were me, would you still feel enthusiastic about helping your fellow shareholders to unite behind a pro-shareholder position and to then bear the burden of implementing the consensus plan?

It is a free country Sal, and if you feel comfortable being associated with the thoughts and actions of Rick, I suppose the two of you can flock together in one cozy little nest-termite/ant size.



To: Sal Comunale who wrote (7600)11/1/1997 4:21:00 PM
From: Pugs  Respond to of 12454
 
Hey Rick!!! This is a matter for SHAREHOLDERS!! Which you are not!!, The next time theres' a meeting for lunatic, disgruntled ex-employees who play on the University computers all day instead of getting on with their lives....we'll call you and stand on the sidelines! your arrogance, to think your opinion matters when you have not 1 share, ..Bug-off!!!.....IMO, This whole deal is to side-track us from the BT deal.....the Citicorp promise, etc,etc......Why is there a need for reverse split AND dilution of shares!??? This co. is a joke, What we need is a spike so we can sell this dog!! WHERE IS THE BT ANNOUNCEMENT!? WHERE IS THE CITICORP CRAP INGRID SAID WAS ALREADY ANNOUNCED BY CITICORP!?, ......ISN"T EVERYBODY SICK TO DEATH OF RICK, SICK TO DEATH OF CCEE?



To: Sal Comunale who wrote (7600)11/2/1997 2:23:00 AM
From: paulbk  Respond to of 12454
 
Sal,

I'm going to hazard a quess that they're holding the meeting in Philly
as it's a halfway point between Bohemia and Virginia. There should be
softworks people there and maybe it's a concession to them. Just my
opinion,regards,p.b.