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To: quehubo who wrote (125671)	11/27/2009 9:44:56 AM
From: epicure	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 542149

What's Hitler got to do with it?

To: quehubo who wrote (125671)	11/27/2009 7:26:45 PM
From: RetiredNow	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 542149

And that's precisely why it was a war of honor. It was our last option. The war in Iraq was a discretionary war that has cost us lives and treasure we could not afford to lose and we've gained nothing by it. You give too much power to the Islamists. They aren't nearly as much of a threat, now that we openly acknowledge the threat exists. Our problem before was that we didn't take them seriously, so they caught us with our pants down. But now that we do, we have effectively neutralized them, but we have to be careful not to overreact, like we've been doing for 8 years. The single best thing we could do to combat these terrorists is to become oil independent, not fight large scale wars that allow them to slowly bleed our Treasury dry. Right now and during the Bush Admin, we played right into their hands, playing by the rules that Bin Laden laid down for us. He openly announced that he was going to bleed us dry in a never ending asymmetrical war. That's exactly what has been happening, all the while the GOP tells us that we should not worry about the cost of war.

To: quehubo who wrote (125671)	11/28/2009 11:50:17 AM
From: cosmicforce	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 542149

<The USA did not get pulled into WWII until we had no choice> ...when we refused to prevent war's root causes decades earlier. If you punish a whole people for the sins of a ruler (or fail to address workers or human rights) it tends to have the effect of producing demagogues like Hitlers and religious oligarchs. Occasionally we even install our our guy in there like the Shah, or fight the one we tolerate because of misplaced and juvenile sentiments that the enemy of my enemy is my friend. We will regret the years of animosity we've help built within various Muslim populaces.