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To: GST who wrote (106478)	12/1/2009 1:57:46 AM
From: arun gera	1 Recommendation Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 110194

GST, Regarding: >You are seriously going to have your thoughts organized around some guy who says that, according to his interpretation of the second law of thermodynamics that greenhouse gases cannot possibly exist? That is his proof? That it is theoretically impossible?? Are you really going to go with that?> I think you are twisting the abstract author's words. I could never fully understand the second law of thermodynamics. Do you understand it perfectly as applied to atmospheric system? I would like to know: Is International Journal of Modern Physics B (IJMPB) a reputable journal? Is their peer review process thorough? Has the researcher published in other reputable journals in Physics? I did a brief investigation and found this: canadafreepress.com “The main results of our paper are: - the CO2 greenhouse effect is not an effect in the sense of a physical effect and, hence, simply does not exist; - computer aided global climatology will not be science, if science is defined as a method to verify or falsify conjectures, according to the usual definition of science.” “Due to research grants, huge amount of financial support, virtual global climatologists suffer from a kind of omnipotence delusion comparable to the state of highness of the early super string community. However, physics is different. “Physics is where the action is”, I.e., finally, reproducible results in the lab. We cannot overemphasize that science is a method to prove conjectures, and not to go on-stage like the pop star Al Gore performing what-if-when-scenarios beyond any reality and scaring kids.” “We (Gerhard Gerlich and Ralf D. Tscheuschner) are very sorry that we cannot reply to all statements published in Internet blogs since our “times on-line” are rather limited. Especially, we do not reply to semi-anonymous virtual climate pets like Eli Rabett and other Internet geniusses such as Gavin Schmidt, Stefan Rahmstorf and others at “Real Climate” or “Atmoz Blog” anti-scientific smear sites. Most of them do know so little about physics such that they quote the second law of thermodynamics incorrectly in order to falsify our work. Even the difference between energy, work and heat seems to be unknown to these experts. This cannot be the basis of a scientific discussion.” “To put it bluntly, virtual climate research (Pierrhumbert and his buddies may call it “real climate” research) is nonsense (non-science). The thousands of publications reviewing the results of these computer games are not worth the papers they are printed on, not to mention the hardware, CPU times and memory.” Do please make the effort to inform yourselves of the contents of this document and pass it around - it is high time that this news got through to the bureaucrats who appear to be stuck in a self-perpetuating cycle of self-delusion induced by elitist green pressure groups who should instead be deeply ashamed of themselves for abusing their alleged intelligence on continuing the hoax that is mankind’s influence on the climate through emissions of carbon dioxide - the very essence of life. Please prepare for a sudden and sharp u-turn, that will be far less painful than the continuation of this climate change claptrap. Kind regards and still waiting to be challenged on the contents of my website or my brain, -Arun

To: GST who wrote (106478)	12/1/2009 2:28:37 AM
From: arun gera	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 110194

GST, At least the researchers are from a reasonable university... >Founded in 1745, the Technische Universitaet Carolo-Wilhelmina zu Braunschweig is Germany's oldest technical university and looks back on a two and a half century tradition of academic teaching and research. When the University admitted its first students in the middle of the 18th century, the curriculum encompassed most of the classical academic disciplines as well as technical subjects. In the course of industrialization the technical disciplines gained more importance and in 1862 the former Collegium Carolinum became a Technical University. The University's name commemorates the Dukes Carl and Wilhelm of Braunschweig-Lueneburg, under whose patronage the Carolo-Wilhelmina developed into one of the country's leading teaching and research universities. Today the TU Braunschweig is the centre of one of the most active German research regions. The university has more than 12,500 students and employs 2,900 staff members, 1,600 of whom are scientists and researchers. It is organized in 6 departments and 110 institutes, offering a wide range of courses and research opportunities. In addition, a great deal of teaching and research takes place in interdisciplinary programmes, laboratories, and centres whose work extends beyond traditional departmental boundaries.>

To: GST who wrote (106478)	12/2/2009 2:55:47 AM
From: Nikole Wollerstein	1 Recommendation Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 110194

I understand this part: "there are no common physical laws between the warming phenomenon in glass houses and the fictitious atmospheric greenhouse effects," Greenhouse prevent convection: simply put, glass wall prevent warm air from moving out: obviously increase of CO2 from 0.03% to 0.04% or 0.06% can not have the same effect.CO2, as wormist claim, can reduce Temp loss by affecting energy transfer by "radiation", and behind this are some fancy physical models. What is striking in this part of "greenhouse story" is that apparently nobody bothered to do an experiment to show that CO2 do have warming effect.