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To: Land Shark who wrote (26214)	12/3/2009 11:34:02 AM
From: longnshort	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 36917

Boxer wants to go after the people who disclosed the email rather than the CRIMINALS who defrauded the public out of millions, probably billions, of dollars. So typical. =================================== Boxer: Hackers should face criminal probe over 'Climategate' By Michael O'Brien - 12/02/09 03:26 PM ET Leaked e-mails allegedly undermining climate change science should be treated as a criminal matter, Sen. Barbara Boxer (D-Calif.) said Wednesday afternoon. Boxer, the top Democrat on the Senate Environment and Public Works Committee, said that the recently released e-mails, showing scientists allegedly overstating the case for climate change, should be treated as a crime. "You call it 'Climategate'; I call it 'E-mail-theft-gate,'" she said during a committee meeting. "Whatever it is, the main issue is, Are we facing global warming or are we not? I'm looking at these e-mails, that, even though they were stolen, are now out in the public." The e-mails, from scientists at the University of East Anglia, were obtained through hacking. The messages showed the director of the university's Climate Research Unit discussing ways to strengthen the unit's case for global warming. Climate change skeptics have seized on the e-mails, arguing that they demonstrate manipulation in environmental science. Boxer said her committee may hold hearings into the matter as its top Republican, Sen. James Inhofe (Okla.), has asked for, but that a criminal probe would be part of any such hearings. "We may well have a hearing on this, we may not. We may have a briefing for senators, we may not," Boxer said. "Part of our looking at this will be looking at a criminal activity which could have well been coordinated. "This is a crime," Boxer said.

To: Land Shark who wrote (26214)	12/3/2009 11:54:46 AM
From: Maurice Winn	2 Recommendations Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 36917

Cant, you'd need to read to understand why I made the predictions which were right when the so-called experts were wrong. You and Wharfie and Neo and other Global Doomsters don't seem to realize that each time you communicate, you give more reasons to think that the Doomsterists really are just a cult. The leaders of the cult are now shown to be frauds. It was already evident to many of us, but now their emails are definite ccnfirmation for those less able to read between the lines, see inconsistencies and notice attitudes and activities which lead to the same conclusion. Personal attacks show lack of reason and chimp-like behaviour = they charge the opposition and set about them in brutal attack. It's not a reasoned attack, it's a personal attack. That's why some critics of the emailers have commented that the behaviour of the cultists was tribal - it is. Reason, science, rationality, enlightenment .... these are not trivial things. Putting on the cloak of science doesn't make one a scientists. A week before the release of the emails I wrote my "snobby" post. I had hesitated to do so because it's rude to make such criticisms and I argue that anyone can make valid contributions whether they are "real" scientists or not. It turned out that my snobby post was on the money and very timely. They are not real scientists like McIntyre who was dabbling rather than employed as an official scientist. Reglaciation 2020. 2020 forward vision. Not 2020 hindsight like the climate models which work until they have another travesty. Reglaciation might already be starting this northern winter. The extent of the Arctic ice next summer will be the guide. Mqurice