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To: cnyndwllr who wrote (271716)	12/3/2009 7:25:12 PM
From: Hawkmoon	1 Recommendation Respond to of 281500

It was a bad landing and there were no contingency plans. Then why did the landings at Utah Beach go so well (practically unopposed)? The fiasco at Normandy was due to a lot of errors, not the least of which was the failure to discover that the German 352nd Infantry division was guarding that particular beach. en.wikipedia.org The same could be said for the British and Canadians.. They met some resistance, but secured their beachheads rather quickly and moved inland. If you understand the complexities of war, if you credit the enemy with an ability to plan, innovate and act, then you cannot commit your soldiers to a plan that will leave them in a killing field with no contingency plan. There's something we call "Commander's Intent" and the rest is left to subordinate leadership in how to best carry it out. If you think that any military leader can plan for every possible scenario, you're more of a moron than I thought you were. Everything must be flexible, and a commander must be just as prepared to think creatively, as they are to take the initiative when an unexpected situation arises. Read how our diligently prepared strategy to cross the Rhine river was laid to shreds by the capture of one railroad bridge at Remagen by an enterprising Recon Lieutenant by the name of Timmerman. He shortened that war by months, IMO, and saved numerous lives on both sides. But then again, look how one completely inane plan called Market Garden, utterly failed to achieve it's major objective, and prevented the 3rd Army from potentially crossing the Rhine in September, 1944 at Trier, and forcing a complete German route back across the Rhine river. pattonhq.com ou keep talking about our soldiers but you seem to have about as much emotional connection to them as you do to the people you want to "help" in the Middle East. Ed Yeah.. easy for an armchair BS'er like you to spew. I was there. I attended well over a dozen memorials for dead soldiers, a few I had briefly met, and known to most of the people I worked with. So I FELT THEIR PAIN. And they weren't pansy-@ssed surrender monkies like you. They wanted, and got, payback.. They, unlike yourself, knew why they were fighting and what they were fighting for.. You, on the other hand.. have forgotten the fundamental reality that in this world freedom isn't free and if you're not willing to defend someone else's right to be free, you don't deserve to enjoy that right for yourself.. You've also forgotten that you can NEVER BE FREE if you have to worry about every one around plotting how to deprive you of it. We don't go to war with democratic nations. We go to war with nations that oppress and subjugate their people into waging war against us. Hawk