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Politics : The Obama - Clinton Disaster -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: GROUND ZERO™ who wrote (23122)	12/5/2009 2:12:40 PM
From: DuckTapeSunroof	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 103300

Re: "all real birth certificates have the name of the hospital and the delivering doctor on that document..." But, (and I asked this exact question of you before, but never got an answer), WHO DEFINES what is a "real" birth certificate, according to you, and what is not?????????? 'Cause the Courts and the federal government and all the fifty States (the States universally recognize each others' birth certificates) ALL DISAGREE with you on this point.

To: GROUND ZERO™ who wrote (23122)	12/6/2009 10:51:10 AM
From: Follies	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 103300

GZ You completely misunderstood my post. I was not being sarcastic but I was being facetious attempting to make your point by taking the opposite position to an absurdity. Any document that is produced today (like by me) is subject to fraud. The original document created contemporaneously with Obamas birth is not subjected to fraud unless there were wise men who traveled from afar to witness this miraculous birth and forged the document at that time. Mary Mapes was the Dan Rathers producer who was fired for her involvement with a forged document concerning George Bush's military career. This document purported to be the original created at the time of Bush's career. Fraud was easily detectable when it was realized it could not have been produced at that time since Microsoft Word had not been invented yet. Had Mary Mapes said "I have seen the original and I have produced a copy with the same intent and meaning and I have notarized it, here is my version" she would still have her job because no one could disprove her. That would also be the equivalent of producing a birth certificate of Obama today by someone who claims to have seen the original. My last comment about sea temperatures refers to climategate where scientists forged data to prove a result that could not be proved from the original data. This is another case of document fraud. They are now claiming the original data was destroyed. I don't know whether the original data was destroyed or not but I do know that we have virtually no way of knowing. If anyone produces a spreadsheet with data how on earth can we know whether that data was original data or not? Journalists have doctored war photos, Bernie Madoff created thousands of phoney documents. When will people learn not to trust and believe everything they see and read? I apologize. When I said "You are never satisfied" I was being sarcastic.