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To: RetiredNow who wrote (14650)	12/5/2009 6:50:02 PM
From: Brumar89	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 86356

Re. the first - since GW models didn't exist in 1961, they didn't predict anything about sea level rise from 1961-2003. Here's a real sea level rise foreast by the master and inventor of climate modeling: While doing research 12 or 13 years ago, I met Jim Hansen, the scientist who in 1988 predicted the greenhouse effect before Congress. I went over to the window with him and looked out on Broadway in New York City and said, “If what you’re saying about the greenhouse effect is true, is anything going to look different down there in 20 years?” He looked for a while and was quiet and didn’t say anything for a couple seconds. Then he said, “Well, there will be more traffic.” I, of course, didn’t think he heard the question right. Then he explained, “The West Side Highway [which runs along the Hudson River] will be under water. And there will be tape across the windows across the street because of high winds. And the same birds won’t be there. The trees in the median strip will change.” Then he said, “There will be more police cars.” Why? “Well, you know what happens to crime when the heat goes up.” dir.salon.com Re the second story, climate models themselves don't actually forecast things as specific as glacier movement, droughts, wildfires. Alarmists simply attribute every thing bad as due to manmade global warming. That was a silly article basically saying, oh, my God its worse than we thought, let's panic and ignore climate-gate.