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To: Wharf Rat who wrote (26776)	12/11/2009 10:48:38 AM
From: HPilot	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 36917

The bias is incorrect in that chart. All of the proxy temps are a few tents of a degree below what they should be. They actually matched the proxy to the instrumental by averaging the proxy with the instrumental per "Mikes Nature trick" to "hide the decline". In other words the emails reveal that that chart is another big fat decline. eastangliaemails.com

To: Wharf Rat who wrote (26776)	12/11/2009 1:25:11 PM
From: Brumar89	2 Recommendations Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 36917

Yeah, I know its hard to admit that has been discredited. I've posted lots of peer-reviewed studies showing the MWP was warmer than the current century - here: Message 26167665 Message 26165877 CRU scientist Keith Briffa ... emailed Edward Cook of Columbia University: “I am sick to death of Mann stating his reconstruction represents the tropical area just because it contains a few (poorly temperature representative) tropical series,” adding that he was tired of “the increasing trend of self-opinionated verbiage [Mann] has produced over the last few years .??.??. and (better say no more).” Cook replied: “I agree with you. We both know the probable flaws in Mike’s recon[struction], particularly as it relates to the tropical stuff. ...” In yet another revealing email, Cook told Briffa: “Of course [Bradley] and other members of the MBH [Mann, Bradley, Hughes] camp have a fundamental dislike for the very concept of the MWP, so I tend to view their evaluations as starting out from a somewhat biased perspective...” ..... Even Malcolm Hughes, one of the original hockey stick coauthors, privately expressed reservations about overreliance on their invention, writing to Cook, Mann and others in 2002: All of our attempts, so far, to estimate hemisphere-scale temperatures for the period around 1000 years ago are based on far fewer data than any of us would like. None of the datasets used so far has anything like the geographical distribution that experience with recent centuries indicates we need, and no one has yet found a convincing way of validating the lower-frequency components of them against independent data.... Mann didn’t react well to these hesitations from his colleagues. Even Ray Bradley, a coauthor of the hockey stick article, felt compelled to send a message to Briffa after one of Mann’s self-serving emails with the single line: “Excuse me while I puke.” .... Message 26156490